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  Getting caught

  by Schism in

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  (you're going to laugh at my paranoia).

  has anyone ever gotten caught posting in here?.

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  LongHairGal	Re: Getting caught
  	Yeah, let somebody say something to me! It would only be an admission that THEY are reading so-called apostate sites .... So, if anybody is here "spying" they have to be very cold-hearted. How could they not learn anything here? To read the stories here and discount ALL of them would tell me the JW spy is lying to themselves. I do not think posters are coming here to LIE about their experiences. What for??? Why bother posting at all??? To impress who??? I think most of what is posted here is damn truth.

  I agree. Why would a "faithful" JW be here long enough to figure out who we are? If they were here, then they

  would indeed find out why the WTS says to avoid apostate stuff. It will win you over. I had a job where my boss

  could monitor my computer usage- anything I did and how much time I spent on there. I never worried about it

  because many workers didn't know he was able to monitor them, and he would have to admit it if he wanted to

  fire/admonish someone over the issue. He never said anything to me about what I did on the net.
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  Mankind's search for god / What is true from the bible?

  by GBSJG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the previous months i have done a lot of research about the wts and came to the conclusion that it is not the truth.

  this however makes me think about what i still believe in.

  is there a god?

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  Leolaia	Re: Mankind's search for god / What is true from the bible?
  	What is unnerving about the gospels is that they rely so heavily on OT exegetical traditions...this is particularly the case with the passion narrative, but it is also the case with many of the miracle narratives and other stories. The impression this leaves is that the authors actually knew rather little and relied on the OT to describe what happened to Jesus. There are also a lot of prophecies about his coming. How many of these are really prophecies and how many of these are turned post facto into messianic predictions by being used in the NT as source material for narratives about Jesus? This is an important question, because the OT passages when read on their own terms largely do not have any messianic import at all; they attain this status only after being adopted as proof texts

  Yes, if Jesus wasn't exactly what he needed to be, let's make him so.
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  Mankind's search for god / What is true from the bible?

  by GBSJG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the previous months i have done a lot of research about the wts and came to the conclusion that it is not the truth.

  this however makes me think about what i still believe in.

  is there a god?

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  OnTheWayOut

  I haven't read the other replies yet, because I wanted my comment to be fresh on the original questions.

  Is there a God? Is the Bible inspired by God? Did Jesus exist? Why are there so many religions? I don't know. After deciding the WTS is full of crap, I have a hard time believing anything. I'm afraid to commit. But I have done some research-

  I believe that Jesus was a real historical man, but many experts suggest things similar to THE DA VINCI CODE, that we only know what was passed on, but unlike that book, they think he was JUST A MAN. It is possible that the Gospels were written to make him the Messiah. Matthew's Gospel addresses how to make him born in a certain place, but be from another. The other gospels either offer a different beginning explanation or they just skip it. The same with other "prophecies." The writers deliberately said things happened as fulfillment. Perhaps Jesus was an expert on Jewish scriptures who said great wise things, rode a donkey to Jerusalem, proclaimed himself [son of] God. Do we need 4 Gospels that are almost but not quite in harmony? What of other gospels that may have been written that didn't line up with the other 4? Was Paul a guy like Joseph Rutherford or Jim Baker, or was he actually contacted by Christ?

  If the first century through thrid century church re-wrote and edited, could we have a fanciful story that many believe as true. Virtually none of the scholars accepts the prophecy of the Old Testament. They think most [or all] was written after the fact. What if the gospels were not all written until everyone got their story straight- why wouldn't they be more in harmony if they were true?

  I don't think the laws of the OT are from a God. They are from the priests and leaders, written mostly near and after the Babylonian captivity. The priests gained credibility for YHWH when Cyrus allowed them to go back and rebuild the temple with his blessings. Other Hebrews said that maybe these guys are right. Then they needed their laws to control the people. Complicated laws, they made it up to suit themselves. Did ANYONE ever FULLY OBEY those laws? I doubt it. The laws of the OT are not from a loving God- true.

  Jesus really existed and that he got a lot of people exicted enough to start a new religion because the priests were losing their grip at that time. There were tons of Messiahs around the area. Most were discovered to be false. Jesus died, others made him what he is.

  ALL THAT I SAY, I KINDA SORTA BELIEVE. I don't really know either, perhaps the fundamental Christians are right.
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  Hello to all ... I've finally decided to sign up

  by In Between in

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  2. friends

  after alot of time, lurking, fighting this damn inward battle i am dealing with, i've decided to join in the mix.

  a little about me (i'll try not to bore you to much) ... i am a fader.

  was raised jw, was even a m.s.

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  Welcome another person who is starting down the correct path. I hope your friend comes around, I am certain I will soon have the same problems with my best friend (JW).
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  Fatal error, an error has been encountered and Watchtower needs to close

  by Morocco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this may not be as amusing to the members here as it is to me, but i would like to say that irony is my favorite thing.

  i was doing some searches in the watchtower library cd 05 and it was crunching the numbers on the loads of bull crap it found.

  all was going well until i decided to do a search for "witchcraft"... when the program crashed, gave me fatal error, and shut down.

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  If "Witchcraft" doesn't work, try yelling "United Nations."

  You can make them go away by saying, "I just read the new light in the latest WT. You gotta read it before I talk to you."
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  HAPPINESS IS ....Giving us your MONEY!!!!!!!!

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  happiness for the wtbts is loadsa, loadsa money!!!!.

  november 1st watchtower, 2006, page 21:.

  'those who contributed to temple building rejoiced greatly.

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  Zico	Re: HAPPINESS IS ....Giving us your MONEY!!!!!!!!
  	I wonder how the kids will feel if their parents decide to leave all their inheritance money to the Watch Tower.

  No, they were unfaithful to have kids. They should have realized the end was just around the corner

  and refrained from bringing up children in such difficult times. Of course, they must make up for

  their unfaithfulness years ago by giving the money to Big Mother. The kids don't need it anyway,

  because the end is just around the corner.
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  Did The "Titles" In The Hall Bother You?

  by choosing life in

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  i always hated the fact that the jws claim they don't take on titles for status and then do just that.

  pioneer,special pioneer, auxillary pioneer, elder, ms,co, do, po etc.

  did this bother you?

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  In a recent WT study, the sisters used as examples in the paragraphs always wound up being married

  to a spiritual elder in the congregation. Why did their husbands have to be elders? Even those who

  believe in the WTS, you know there are many valid reasons not to be an elder, but to still be a great

  catch for a sister. For that matter, why couldn't the wonderful example of a sister be happy just doing

  what is right and NOT MARRY ANY BROTHER? Why does she need the title "Married Sister"?
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  So Who is the Biggest Watchtower Villain?

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. friends

  who is the biggest villain in watchtower history?

  let's have a poll.

  here are the candidates with a few possible reasons for voting for each:.

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  I revisited this question, revived the topic, because yesterday I read something new to me. Rutherford invented the current method of study in homes and at the meetings (with changes still following his basic set-up). Rutherford may have learned about hypnotism and applied his methods to studying. See my post thread called HYPNOTIC METHODS OF WTS.

  This changes my opinion of him just being a flim-flam lawyer/conman. If his con included these hypnotism methods (as I think they do) then he is pure evil. I don't think I need to convince you all of that.

  So Who is the Biggest Watchtower Villain? Joseph Rutherford
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  Hypnotic method of WTS

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading various materials from the web and came across information that suggests that j.f.rutherford .

  learned to use hypnotic study methods.

  study books for students engage the left brain and right brain, .

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  The same article says that

  "Watchtower promotes their leaders to bombard adults "and youth" with a huge array of

  doom and gloom themes outlined in their study stories, in a way that can eventually destroy

  enthusiasm to develop in three areas that will endorse their success in family life:

  1. An interest in academic skills to develop leadership security.

  2. Development of personal talents to assist social skills and to give them a recreation to use as

  an outlet in adult years.

  3. A positive compassionate outlook on life.

  This constant negative focus also has potential to establish "hopelessness" the main cause for

  lack of REM sleep, depression and disease, through excessive nighttime release of the hormone

  "cortisol" one of the three factors that causes cells to become cancerous."

  My note:

  Many wonder why some of their children get suicidal, go so far in destructive behavior.
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  What's The Dumbest JW Belief?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i have to think believing in the blood doctrine has to be the dumbest, especially because accepting the watchtower view can kill you.

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  Women putting toilet paper napkins on their heads to pray!!!!!

  I vote for that one. LOL