Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Would you bail your JW family out of a financial bind?

by unbeliever in

jw
friends

i am so upset with my mother.

she took a huge mortgage out on her house which was completely paid for.

her elder husband wanted to expand his business.

OnTheWayOut

This can help you when telling him how he has to work more and not pioneer. It is his duty, the article discusses bankruptcy, but still applies:

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w94 9/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
....Is it Scripturally proper for a Christian to file for bankruptcy?
We should be aware, though, of the other side of the matter. A Christian might be in debt because he simply did not use self-control in what or how much he spent or because he did not use reasonable foresight in his business decisions. Should he just be casual about the debt and quickly seek relief through bankruptcy, thus hurting others because of his poor judgment?The Bible does not endorse such fiscal irresponsibility. It urges the servant of God to let his yes mean yes. (Matthew 5:37) Recall, too, Jesus’ comments about counting the cost before starting to build a tower. (Luke 14:28-30) In line with that, a Christian should thoughtfully consider possible undesirable outcomes before he takes on a financial debt. Once he does assume a debt, he ought to sense his responsibility to repay individuals or companies that he owes money to. If many others perceived a Christian as irresponsible or untrustworthy, he might have sullied the good reputation that he had striven for and thus no longer have a fine testimony from outsiders.—1 Timothy 3:2, 7.
Recall what Psalm 15:4 tells us about the sort of person Jehovah welcomes. We read: "He [the one God approves] has sworn to what is bad for himself, and yet he does not alter." Yes, God expects Christians to treat their creditors as they would want to be treated.—Matthew 7:12.
In summary, then, the Bible does not rule out the possibility that in an extreme situation, a Christian may avail himself of the protection offered by Caesar’s bankruptcy laws. However, Christians should be exceptional as to honesty and reliability. Thus, they should be exemplary in their serious desire to meet their financial obligations.

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Question: Advance Medical Directive/Release cards

by Facet in

hi everyone, i hope that you can help me out!

i'm a graduate student studying medical ethics, and i'm seeking information regarding these cards.

what i need to find out is this:

OnTheWayOut

It would vary slightly from state to state, country to country.

In general, in the U.S., if you don't have it filled out, signed and witnessed by two,
then a judge would go easier on violating your wishes, and a doctor might be
quicker to not wait for the judge since his legal dept. will tell him that he will be
sued if he doesn't give the blood, but the client's family won't have a good case
for sueing if he does give the blood.

I am somewhat familiar with emergency care. If a DNR is not to be found, then
resusitation will take place. If it is found, but not properly filled out, then resusitation
will take place on an emergency level until the proper document can be found. If there
is no proper document, then resusitation and live saving measures will continue.

I would assume the same or similar with Medical Directives.

13

Therapy or Counseling for ex-jws

by stillin4now in

i am in the beginning process of trying to "fade" and have been dealing with depression and anxiety for a variety of reasons for a long time.

does anyone know of resources for finding counseling that is appropriate for someone like me?.

i have never been to a therapist and am afraid that they won't understand the unique issues of a person who is.

OnTheWayOut

Start with a regular counselor/therapist office on the phone, ask if they know of any good therapists for ex-JW's in the area.

Call more than a few therapists. Next, try church counselors. Next, if that search is fruitless, try for a cult expert therapist.

18

Damn those Pyramids!!!!

by Gill in

damn those egyptian piles of rocks and stones, so skillfully put together without an instruction book as to what their 'true' or not so obvious uses are, or may have been!!!.

for nearly forty years, because of some blokes pyramidology fantasy i wasted my life and others have wasted their whole lives, waiting for something that was never going to happen in the first place!.

now, i find myself reading up on pyramids!

OnTheWayOut

I'm not sold on Pyramids yet, but I see they are fascinating:

The pyramid inch "PI" = 1.0011 present inches, and 1.0010846752 British inches
Use of the pyramid inch is attributed to Sir Isaac Newton, who discovered that many of the measurements of the pyramid would be in whole numbers if this unit were used.
Pyramid inches (PI)

When years are substituted for inches, the passages of the Great Pyramid become a prophetic calendar.
The start of the Great Pyramid's construction was 2623 B.C.
The only markings in the pyramid are in the Descending Passage at 482 PI inches from the pyramid face. This represents the last year the Pole Star was aligned with the passage, 2141 B.C.
The start of the construction of the Great Pyramid is recorded at 2523 B.C. via a scribed mark on the wall of the descending passage perpendicular to the floor of the passage. All other stone joints in the passage are vertical to the horizon.
The start of the construction of the Great Pyramid is recorded at circa 2170 B.C. via a scribed mark on the wall of the descending passage.
1170 PI (years) from the construction start date to the point where the Ascending Passage meets the Descending Passage.
1485 PI (years) from junction of Ascending/Descending passage to start of the Grand Gallery.
1881-1/3 PI (years) in length of Grand Gallery.
The ancient Hebrews used units of measure that were the same length as the pyramid inch and Sacred Cubit.
Red Granite appears in the pyramid apparently to mark special events in conjunction with prophetic events related to the Jews.
The red granite is fairly rare and identical with that of Mt. Horeb {Mt. Sinai}, the mountain on which Moses is said to have received the Ten Commandments.
The empty coffer in the King's Chamber is made of red granite.
A portion of the floor in the Antechamber to the King's Chamber is red granite and corresponds to the "unit dimension" of the King's Chamber.
A red granite stone, triangular in shape, appears on a false door at the intersection of the Ascending and Descending passages. This corresponds to the prophecy year of circa 1486 B.C. (Hebrews depart Egypt under Moses)
The cubic capacity of the coffer = same as Ark of Covenant made by Moses {Exodus 25}
The Ark of the Covenant was 2.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 Sacred Cubits. Guessing the thickness of the sides as 1.8 PI gives a volume of 71,282 cubic pyramid inches vs. the volume of the coffer of 71250 cubic pyramid inches.
The pyramid inch and sacred cubit are found as raised images on a red granite plaque at the entrance to the Antechamber of King's room.
The length of the diagonals of the floor of the Antechamber are 666 PI. {Revelation 13, mark of the Beast}
There were 144,000 casing stones {Revelation 7, servants of God given seals during the apocalypse}
Birth of Adam, 4128.25 B.C.
Exodus of Israelites from Egypt, 1453 B.C. {junction of Ascending & Descending passages}
Birth of Jesus, Sept. 29, 2 B.C. {intersection of Queen's Chamber floor level with Ascending Passage}
Birth of Jesus, about autumnal equinox, 2 B.C.
Baptism of Jesus, Oct. 14, 29 A.D.
Baptism of Jesus, Oct. 5, 29 A.D.
Crucifixion of Jesus, April 3, 33 A.D. {beginning of Grand Gallery}
Start of WWI, 1914 A.D. {end of Grand Gallery}

There is too much data here. You could make it fit any theory. Here's a crazy theory:

A small plane crashed into a Manhattan skyscraper recently on 10-11-06.
Assume the plane hit upside down and flying backwards

Turn the date upside down to get the following- 10-11-09.

Now make it backwards to get the following- 9-11-01.

It is a sign. This is a ridiculous theory, but they made it fit.
Okay, they stretched it a little.

21

Wanting something???

by MsMcDucket in

jw
friends

have you ever had this feeling that your body wants something, but you can't figure out what it is?

i mean like is food, a vitamin, a drink, something?

i have this feeling a lot.

OnTheWayOut

This is how you must feel then:

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do you agree with this statement by the org?

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

jw
friends

this was taken off the jw-media website

conscience

jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures, and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.

OnTheWayOut

traditions that contradict Bible teachings

Don't eat the bread, don't sip the wine.

Study for six months, then if they aren't going to the Hall, drop them.

Predict the end, then say you didn't. *The biggest tradition of all.

Focus on the God of the OT as a Christian, not Jesus.

Slip the Circuit Overseer money (you received freely, give freely)

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Farewell, Good Luck, Amensaying Goodbye from the Wanderer

by The wanderer in

jw
friends

farewell, good luck, amensaying goodbye from the wanderer i want to say thank you to those individuals who reached out to .

me during these past two months.

for all the help you have given me and to each other.. time to move on in life i have decided that after nearly 100 written articles that this will.

OnTheWayOut

I cannot believe I read all those sentimental Goodbyes and now I am writing one.

See ya around.

18

I received the book Crisis of Conscience can't put it down.

by hambeak in

i wish i got this book years ago.

ray franz is so loving and kind and he just is so strong i am to pg 100 now.

help me understand the mess that went on in ny i need to order the next book by him.

OnTheWayOut

As a fader, I can't have books like CoC in my home. I read it at work months ago, as I found it at the public library.
They don't have the second book there. I ordered it, but had it sent to a family member, haven't been able to go get it.
I will make it a point to get it next week now that you inspired me. I need to see non-JW family anyway before the
holiday that I cannot participate in. GOBBLE GOBBLE.

31

do you agree with this statement by the org?

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

jw
friends

this was taken off the jw-media website

conscience

jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures, and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.

OnTheWayOut

Your Bible-based conscience tells you that you are spiritually weak if you do not:

comment at every meeting, attend all meetings, get 10 hours or more in FS every month,
avoid having children or getting married, support one family member in the pioneer work,
reach out for ~~privileges~~ extra work in the congregation, avoid overtime, skip college.

Why did I get so fired up by that statement?

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do you agree with this statement by the org?

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

jw
friends

this was taken off the jw-media website

conscience

jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures, and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.

OnTheWayOut

Do not: smoke cigarettes, gamble, vote, donate blood, speak with anyone who stopped
being a JW, grow a beard.

Do: record an amount of ~~preaching~~ publishing every month, go to 5 weekly meetings,
accept anything the GB says even if it changes.

I could go on and on about how they apply this statement.