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  Why the number of "anointed" will never decrease...

  by dozy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jw theology suggests that the work of gathering in the "144,000" has all but ended , particularly since 1935 , and that the number will inevitably diminish to nil.

  indeed , some jws maintain that all the anointed will have died and resurrected before armageddon arrives.

  the watchtower claims that the fact (?

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  a friend who is a missionary in Africa says that virtually all new JWs are convinced of their anointed status

  To be fair (like that's what's going on), the number of heavies in the borg are from USA, so to catch up, these countries that enter the game later should have a high number of anointed.

  Reality- the First-Century Christians were all invited to make up the anointed crowd, and they would have totally filled the 144,000.

  JW reality- They will continue to replace GB members that pass away with newer anointed, so they will allow the bogus count to remain constant or drop very slowly.
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  remarriage after divorce

  by luffy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know if after divorcing a spouse for reasons other than adultery, although adultery may be suspected, if i would be free to marry a witness if my ex spouse was in a relationship or remarried someone else after the divorce..ive heard different versions and am not sure

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  surely if his ex wife was dead he was scripturally free to marry anyway

  If you are just stating the obvious to be funny, good job. Otherwise, YEAH.
  The point was that the elders have no business prying into such a situation.
  Don't give them that power. Just give them the answer that leaves no room
  for the JC to take action. Tell them proof could easily be obtained if you
  ever saw the need, then don't do so. Tell them there is no need. The burden
  of proof is on them.
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  The final solution to everything

  by Norm in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wtbts has figured out the perfect solution to all of mankinds problems.. they mainly use the awake!

  magazine to tell us about the wonderful future that awaits us.. that magazine will have articles with headlines like:.

  homelessness - will it ever end?.

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  I would rather die at Armageddon than worship a God that destroyed 99% of humankind.

  yaddayadda, I really appreciate your entire post here. I may use this quote if ever pressed by my elder body on my refusal to participate in field service. I won't say their view is wrong (although it is). I will just say that I am resolved to die with the 99%.
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  Scholars say JWs make less money!

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  whoops ... i didn't see randy's post before i sent this one off ... so if the mods want to tank my post, that is okay.. well, we always really knew that jws were among the lower wage earners ... you know, high school graduates at best ... taking all those janitorial jobs ... but now its official:.

  portland, ore.: episcopalians still are up there, but a study shows jews are no.

  1, with a median household income in 2000 of $72,000.

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  I'm sure she must be on welfare or something

  That always sat wrong with me. We had sisters who stayed under a certain earning level so that they qualified for public aid.
  They said they were able to pioneer that way. If they worked more, or if the aid stopped, they would not be able to pioneer.

  I was never one to get into their business, they were already pioneers, but I said things to young people that started down the
  same road. "You need healthcare benefits of your own. You need to be self-supportive. How can you expect to live on your own
  and pioneer? If you can't stay at home, you will need to work full time, unless you have a skill that allows you to work part-time."
  I never suggested public aid to anyone except the elderly.
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  Do you hate Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by The wanderer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

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  do you hate jehovah's witnesses?

  since becoming a member of this board, it has often come.

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  Questions for consideration

  • Do you hate Jehovah's Witnesses or the organization?
    I do not hate anyone. There are some great people caught up in this cult, just as I was caught up. I am
    upset at myself for not investigating them better, and also for aiding the cult in recruitment. I even
    believe that most JW are sincere believers, even some on the GB. Still, the organization is evil. While
    I am still physically chained to them, I am mentally free. The evil persists until their downfall.

  • Have you worked out your ill will toward them?
    Define the question better. Am I a bitter person who comes on here to rant and rave about the
    evil borg? Yeah, there is still some of that, but I am getting better all the time. I would love to be an
    active anti-JW, picketing a KH or Bethel, standing near them on a corner and handing out "Truth Tracts."
    I never will, though. Even if I were free to do so, I recognize the need to move away from the ill will.

  • What is your general viewpoint of Jehovah's Witnesses?
    The people are like addicts. Some are able to do great things, but that drug (WTS) keeps them down.
    The people are generally sincere. The elders are totally untrained for serious counseling. (I know, I was one.)
    The organization puts works ahead of faith and heart. They convince the people that works are faith and heart.
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  Scholars say JWs make less money!

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  whoops ... i didn't see randy's post before i sent this one off ... so if the mods want to tank my post, that is okay.. well, we always really knew that jws were among the lower wage earners ... you know, high school graduates at best ... taking all those janitorial jobs ... but now its official:.

  portland, ore.: episcopalians still are up there, but a study shows jews are no.

  1, with a median household income in 2000 of $72,000.

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  I don't doubt the accuracy of the report. Many in the congregations here don't make much money.
  Many go without health insurance all their lives. The pressure to pioneer out of High School is
  enormous in some congregations. Our CO, 7 or 8 months ago (and again at the assembly)
  preached about how JW's can do fine on a basic education. I know it just ain't so. I don't have
  college, but I have skills, and my faithful JW wife knew she needed a degree, so we got her one.

  Before I developed my skills, this was me:
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  Does anybody feel like if not for the Internet we could have still been in

  by ladione5000 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the dark?

  walking around knocking on peoples doors and telling them they are going to die if they do not follow our beliefs?.

  i for one feel like this is the new world, and there is just no stopping this super highway we call the internet... it is like a whole new world, we can now talk and meet people around the world.

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  The Internet was frosting on the cake.

  I already knew that I needed to get out of the religion, just from researching WT material, comparing some non-apostate materials at the library. I would not have decided as quickly that I need to get out, because the internet steered me toward finding out about the UN and helped me find Ray Franz's book, but I would have found the book without the internet, I would have started my fade soon enough.

  I think the net is great for those considering going in to the cult. They can find out, then avoid that heartache.
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  How do I..........

  by nonamegiven in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've only been on this board and one other board for a short time and i quickly learned enough to show me that jw is not the one and trur religion.

  most of you know my situation, married with 2 kids and another due in a month.

  how do i get out of this organization?

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  I read your previous post on what happened and what you wanted to do. You had some pretty good advice.
  Bottom line- you need to decide what to do. I think that I could not get reinstated if I were DF'ed, knowing
  it is not the truth, but maybe you can.

  I am married to a faithful JW, in my fade, hoping not to get DF'ed. They can never DA you if you don't vote,
  go to church, celebrate holidays, join the military. If you do celebrate at work or with non-JW family or vote,
  you have to keep it a secret. Other than that, you play the game.

  For you that might be this-You get reinstated and then never question
  doctrine during your fade. You cut back on meetings and service on your terms, but your reason is always
  depression, feelings of lack-of-love, or lots of work. In other words, you become spiritually weak, but not a
  person who insists that something is wrong with the organization.

  I did not choose this path, but if I started over again, advice from this board might have caused me to take
  the depression route. I chose to "doubt" the Governing Body and their doctrine, so now I have to avoid
  argument over doctrine. Garybuss taught me this one, just say "Now, I agree with the WT." Don't say which
  WT and avoid letting their counsel get anywhere. There is no room for DF in that.
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  remarriage after divorce

  by luffy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know if after divorcing a spouse for reasons other than adultery, although adultery may be suspected, if i would be free to marry a witness if my ex spouse was in a relationship or remarried someone else after the divorce..ive heard different versions and am not sure

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  This past summer, while I was still an elder, a case actually came up.
  A sister in our congregation eloped. The guy was divorced for over 10 years.
  Our elders actually made a big deal of it and decided to investigate whether
  he was "scripturally" free to marry our sister. What a joke. I said "He and
  his exwife are worldly, what are the odds that they haven't had sex with
  someone els in 10 years?" Not good enough for those boys. I said I would
  have nothing to do with it.

  Turns out, they could never find out if the exwife gave him his "scriptural" freedom
  because she has been dead for a few years. What a bunch of mopes they must
  have looked like peering into someone's life like that.

  Tell the elders nothing except this, "We are scripturally free to remarry." Then if
  they want specifics, don't give it to them, even if it's favorable to their inquiry.
  Stick with "We are scripturally free to remarry. Yes, I know what that means."
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  Did your Ex-spouse ever admit you were right about the WT?

  by moshe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was divorced in 1988- (remarried in 2000) it was over a year in the making.

  despite all my efforts to reason with her, i failed to get her to see the errors in the wt society.

  after i told her my views on blood transfusions she called me an apostate and refused to discuss the jw's.-i was on the outside after that.

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  She admitted you were right to the kids, so that's great. At least they know WTS is crap, and that Mom admitted how smart Dad was.

  Settle for that. You might get more, but doesn't that feel great already?