OnTheWayOut

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  Witness Carts - A Vehicle for Significant Decline

  by slimboyfat in

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  i was stalking to a jw today about her recent experience on the carts and with being a jw generally.

  until this conversation i considered the carts as just an ineffective preaching method and a harmless waste of time.

  but now i wonder if the effect of the carts might be to produce noticeable decline in jw numbers.

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  Some things don't go together.
  
  Nearly 100% of people who go to prison in the United States have eaten pizza.
  That doesn't mean eating pizza makes one more likely to go to prison. It just shows how common pizza is.

  JW's are cart/table witnessing now and the number of active JW's is severely down.
  I mean, I didn't leave because of the style of recruiting. There are plenty of reasons to become inactive.
  I could just as easily say that there has been a decline since the silly overlap generation doctrine or since the 100 year anniversary of Jesus casting Satan out of heaven or YADDA YADDA.

  I actually think cart witnessing is much easier than getting doors slammed in your face, and while much rural and foreign language recruiting is pretty easy, just driving from address to address can cost plenty in gas. Better to sit or stand at one spot.
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

  by Perry in

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  And a few in the atheist community of God deniers (not many now) still ignore 20 years of dinosaur soft tissue documented in science literature. because it is inconsistent with what they choose to believe.

  People in science often propose things and discover exceptions and mistakes. When they are wrong or haven't answered something, scientists will change statements and add thoughts and grow in understanding. Science looks for an answer to explain why the soft tissue exists and Perry scoffs at them. Meanwhile, Perry ignores all the proven science that doesn't fit in his world. Fundamentalists typically remain staunch that the incomplete story written by goat herders is the only explanation. They fill in data and ignore contradictions. And I love how Perry tries to say "No, it's the other way around." Seriously?
  
  Did you even realize that the soft tissue in this case supports evolution theory?

  
  The tissue was collagen, they reported in the journal Science, and it shared similarities with bird collagen — which makes sense, as modern birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs such as T. rex. - See more at: http://www.livescience.com/41537-t-rex-soft-tissue.html#sthash.b0iTeOkU.dpuf
  
  
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  RC Was Worse Than I thought...

  by JW_Rogue in

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  i was visiting with my family and it seems the rc was worse than i thought.

  now they all seem to think that "we are so close to the end" and that the "brothers are really preparing us for the gt".

  some even saying that soon our message will change to a judgement message for mankind and talking about how we need to improve "everything we do".

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  I have to believe that their money situation is worse than many imagined. This sounds like a reason to abandon literature distribution.

  It also sounds like a given reason to accept anything crazy from Watchtower like taking all the congregations' money and making individual congregations move out of their Kingdom Hall.
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  Stories From the Back Room

  by xjwsrock in

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  (i am still a serving elder.

  i have no idea how much longer i can stomach it.

  timing is terrible for stepping down right now, though.

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  This guy could be doing a power play to show his wife that she's essentially powerless in this situation. Also, it could just be that he is saving the marriage from divorce by showing up. If the elders tell her they cannot prove guilt, she might just accept that.
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

  by Perry in

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  The Vredefort crater in South Africa is the largest confirmed impact crater ever discovered on earth at nearly 200 miles across. It is estimated that the crater is over 2 billion years old.

  If you use the young-earth model, and the massive asteroid plowed into the earth some time in the last 10,000 years, history most definitely would have recorded it, and we would still see the effects of its impact today on the life of the planet. It would have caused mass extinctions and life would not have yet come close to recovering.

  So ignore evidence and say the scientists are wrong. It's just that simple to Perry. Maybe he will say that God created the world with the Vredefort crater already there and dozens of other large craters already in it, for no other reason than to make us think the earth had been hit by massive asteroids when in fact, it never was. It's a test of our faith that goes right along with seeing light from stars that would take millions and billions of years to arrive on earth. God must have made it look that way to make our scientists look stupid.

  The age of our old earth has been calculated to fit the deceleration of the earth by tidal friction, the distance of the moon from the earth, the amount of dust on the moon, the dating of fossils. You cannot simply ignore the facts that don't fit your model.

  
  
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  RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

  24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

  by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

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  While I know they will play the persecution card on this, I gotta side with Russia on this. They are an extremist group that preaches hate for outsiders.
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  Died Due To Refusing Blood Transfusion

  by rrb2016 in

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  well, last monday my mother, a jehovah's witness since her baptism in 1968 died last week because she would not accept a blood transfusion.

  she was 76 and had lung and skin cancer.

  i know that the cancer would have gotten her anyway, but she was bleeding internally, and was told that she needs a blood transfusion, as her blood count went all the way down to 3.2 (should be 12-14.

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  This is tragic. So so sorry for your loss. As some have said, she may have shortened her painful circumstances. But you have every right to be angry with Watchtower for taking her decisions on this away from her.
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  Is PRINCE still with us?

  by oppostate in

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  Maybe in order to save Jehovah's Witnesses from themselves, they will try to say Prince is the new type of replacement anointed- free spirits who donate a bunch of money.

  And if he was anointed, he's really still with us- guiding Geoffrey Jackson, Stephen Lett, and the bunch.
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  Wow... There More Closet Faders Than I Thought

  by pale.emperor in

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  yep, im still fading.

  i know it's gonna be a long and meticulous process but so far it's going well.

  isnt it funny how when you stop reading the material and stop thinking yourself of being unworthy all the time - eventually you get happier and happier each day and see the world around you the way it is?

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  Thanks for your thoughts. Happy trails on your fade. I would like to say that, in my fade, I expressed my doubts to some elders in order to be allowed to resign as an elder. You say you are not afraid to express doubts to concerned elders. I would say that once you have done that, it is not necessary to ever do it again. It just increases their desire to deal with a member judicially if they have more to say.
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  Advice on how to choose a book

  by slimboyfat in

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  i love books; i always have.

  they are my life and my livelihood.

  and many jehovah's witnesses, when they leave the religion, they think to themselves, "i'd like to read a book".

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  OnTheWayOut

  Choose a book you will like by a human author.