Posts by OnTheWayOut

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JW Witnessing Trolleys. To approach or ignore what is your preference and why?

by KateWild in

i saw two brothers this morning next to the main train station in liverpool city centre this morning.

they were not actively approaching anyone.

what i found strange was that they were from a cong that has different territory, so i don't know why they were there.. anyway i knew them both, and they know i was df'd, i was in my car and couldn't park up for a chat, but i did beep and wave to them as i drove passed and they waved back.

OnTheWayOut

I remember not commenting on this thread because I went back and forth about what I would do.

But time has shown me what I have done.

I have seen the carts more than a few times now and I have never approached. JW's not knowing who lives there have rung my bell and I would say "No thanks" and close the door.

I just can't get myself riled up for a stranger who will probably use my logic as a confirmation of "Satan's" skills.

When I wrote my book, I ended with this paragraph that sums it up:

If I had to choose the ending of a movie based on this book, I think I would have a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses approach me on the street offering me their WATCH TOWER magazine. They would go through their presentation and I would simply walk away and say, "No thanks, I am much happier now without it."

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

Page 10 replies:

redpilltwice, that's a good question you ask of James Jack. Why not ask?

Vidiot, I am saying that the doctrine will claim that Babylon the Great HAS BEEN attacked. They can make up some stuff that will fit. Anti-Muslim stuff, the pedophile issues of the Catholic Church. Obscure facts from the news can be used to make up an idea that things are worse than they are against "Babylon."

TheListener, that's a good point, but maybe as time goes on and they hope to make this seem more real, Dubs just don't figure they will be openly meeting at Kingdom Halls while "churches" are under attack.

RubaDub, soon, very soon, EH? So I still have time to have children, send them through an education and help them raise their own children.

atomant, it will be an overlapping great tribulation.

pepperheart, I hear the stuff is good for lining the shoes of homeless people too.

Vidiot, :laughing:

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Special Pioneers drive through flooded creek...destroy ton of literature in boot!

by Witness 007 in

two sisters decided to drive thru a flood creek during a storm so they would not miss a new kingdom hall dedication.

when the water reached over the hood the abandoned the car and swam to saftey.

a ton of watchtower literature the had in the boot for the isolated hall was destroyed.

OnTheWayOut

WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!!!! Maybe they remembered all those convention stories from the branch representative and all those yearbook stories. They thought since they had all that literature for the Hall, of course Jehovah would miraculously make their car just float right on through as if it was on solid ground.

You can't really blame them.

I remember some pioneer in some backwater location was going to have to come off the list to get food for his family when some big wild animal (big but easy to kill) just ran into his hut and he had plenty of food for that month. I remember some truck with "just the right size" trusses broke down near a construction site for a kingdom hall, so they sold the trusses to them for virtually nothing. I remember.......

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The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

OnTheWayOut

Papias sounds like a man with his own agenda, being a Bishop of the church in his time. He probably had much to do with the invention of the life and times of Jesus put into the Gospels as opposed to the mythical Jesus that Paul preached.

I do my own research too. It seems that Papias was trying to give credibility to Gospel writings. This suggests they needed that kind of help. I guess God never really had anything at all to do with these writings.

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Missionary in Asia works part time as teacher told by Bethel hand over pay check!!

by Witness 007 in

they only way this minsterial school grad missionary could get a visa was as an "english teacher" so he got a job part time and pioneered the rest of the time.

he was very upset when bethel told him his wage for english teaching belongs to them!!!

he had expenses living in this asian land and had no family support, but bethel thought his small watchtower "reinburstment" was enough.

OnTheWayOut

I know you are trying to be factually correct, Fulano. I am sure they didn't have a Missionary home in that country if they didn't allow a missionary Visa. But the idea is sound that he went to do "their" bidding, the only way to do it there was to work, they wanted his money figuring he would do this "for Jehovah."

They are scum.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

Reply to Orphan Crow on page 10,

Excellent point. If the members gotta run and hide in "bunkers," how the hell will the GB be able to correspond? Wouldn't they be easy to find?

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

Last page 9 reply:

James Jack, it could be that this C.O. is revved up by the convention stuff or it could be that this is the message they float out via C.O.'s to gauge the reaction. It sounds more like they are coming out with something.

But you know what? They have talked about BIG EVENT announcements that have been total duds. It could be a big message about no longer actually printing the material for the midweek meeting or for letters to Bodies of Elders.

I am so over BIG ANNOUNCEMENTS and BIG EVENTS ON THE WORLD SCENE. But it makes me wonder if nothing else.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

Page 9 replies:

The Listener, I used to believe that the GT would "start any day, any minute, any second" and that such belief was powerful enough to keep me in line until it actually started. But as the calendar made them change generation and the sealing and judging and whatever else they saw necessary, it got old. That's part of why I say they may move the timeline forward with such a grand announcement. I believe their message has already lost "some of its boogey man scariness to the rank and file." But I just speculate. You could be right.

jwleaks, love your Kevin story. I will use the name Kevin if ever I repeat such a story. Or "Johnny the Bethelite."

BlackSwan of Memphis, they have to float ideas out there to see the reaction before they go "full throttle." If enough dubs react negatively, they drop potential doctrine. I think they have been floating the "120 years of the last days similar to the 120 years of Noah" for quite a long time. They won't go full throttle with it until they feel they need to.

Flipper, I have seen many JW's so want the GT and Armageddon in their time before "their time" got away from them. My mother is there now, but she's more resigned to just keep quiet and not get so obvious about her hope. When I first heard of Bethel laying off workers, I started thinking how that wasn't very "family" of them. Extreme lay-offs, money grabs, closing of Halls- just may call for extreme doctrines. We shall see.

BlackSwan of Memphis, such encouraging words you share with Flipper (and us all). Like you say, "...they don't give two squats about their members."

Doubting Bro, they COULD change the message without announcing the start of the GT. They COULD say as I mentioned earlier, the ark is closed but you might could be allowed to stand on the open deck and not be washed away if you really kiss some Governing Body asses. Or as you suggest, taper it down to just those that show interest or find Watchtower via the internet and maybe the cart work (if they can just offer tracts or change the carts to video displays). I think their options are only limited by the radical acceptance factor- it takes awhile for hardcore JW's to accept radical changes.

LV101, It's been end times with Jesus coming in some portion of Christianity for 2000 years. There was a huge push as the 20th century started[- Even C.T. Russell was there for that one.Strength to you and yours.

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13 year anniversary

by gerry in

today marks 13 years since my wife and i have stepped inside a kingdom hall.

after 29 years full on being a jw and a number of years serving as an elder then as the presiding overseer we pulled the plug.

yes 13 years ago coming home from the first day of a circuit assembly i said to my wife “that’s it i am not going back”.

OnTheWayOut

Congratulations on 13 years. Make sure you walk under a ladder and let a black cat cross your path. Maybe break a mirror on the next Friday the 13th (January).

I am always finding another milestone to celebrate. This summer marks 10 years since I resigned as an elder and started my fade.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

Page 8 has mostly my replies, but a few others.
Page 8 replies:

BluesBrother, I believe if the situation continues the same, they will lose too many people and too much in the way of donations. That's part of why I speculate that they move doctrine and prophecy along and declare something new. When too many members are ready to revolt over the closings and selling-off, they will have an answer besides, "Shut up and obey." They will be able to say "No time to explain, you know- it being the great tribulation and all." But just a thought. They might could keep going on fleecing enough people without such a change.

Doubtfully Yours, well yeah. It gets old. It will never reach all. Many will leave if they do nothing, many will leave if they do something. This something would probably wake many up, but the remnant will be even more loyal than ever.

BlackSwan of Memphis, I think DY is saying something many of us who have woken up say- They have done such stuff before so much that it doesn't phase "us."