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  Do You Have A Negative Outlook Because You Were Once A JW?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  it could be argued that exjws have issues in life simply because they were jehovah’s witnesses at a point in their lives.

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  do you think you or we are fairly normal considering we were jehovah’s witnesses or do you think we have a lot of baggage because we are a bit messed up ( even if we don’t even know it)?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  "...we have a lot of baggage because we are a bit messed up..."
  
  Yes sir.
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  OCT 2019 Watchtower - Survival dependant on loyalty to JW Leaders

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is so much wrong with the newly released october, 2019 but that's not unusual.

  what stands out is there statement claiming that survival through armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'.

  since they claim there will be a point during the gt that they (the gb) won't be physically around, jws must still be loyal to jw leaders.. whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the governing body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of armageddon.

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  From the article: At some point, all anointed ones who are still on earth will be gathered to heaven to share in the war of Armageddon.

  So they have no worry about being called to account for what they are doing because all the things JW's are waiting for will take place AFTER they (GB) are dead and buried.

  From the article: This means that the Governing Body will no longer be with us on earth.

  Maybe they are setting up a different hierarchy later that will let the lawyers and bean counters rule and this is their way of starting to get everyone used to it. That's my rumor.
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  Do You Ever Have Dreams You’re Still a JW?

  by jp1692 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last night i dreamt i was at a circuit assembly; i even had a walk-on speaking part early in the morning program.

  i spent the rest of the day “working” the event in a security detail.

  the dream lasted until the entire day’s program was over.

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  I was the Theocratic School Overseer for many years. I don't remember dreams shortly after waking, but this one gave me at least a vague memory of the dream that I retained. I was "conducting the school" and it was a real clusterf%^k of a meeting with people not showing up for their part in the meeting and some kind of interruptions.

  That's as much as I can remember, but I was always prepared to discuss the entire content of the meeting with the congregation if someone did not show up, so I am sure there was some of that in there.
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  Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

  by Anna Marina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

  since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

  recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

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  APOSN-TATE: They'll change it and say, "Our adjusted understanding on this matter is that Satan and his demons were not ousted from heaven. Rather, they merely overlapped with the humans already on Earth."

  
  Ha, I like it.
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  What is the biggest doctrinal mistake made by the Watchtower /JWorg. ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  personally i think it is 1914 and the following " this generation " doctrine.. this particular doctrine went right against jesus's own words of " no one knows of the time not even he " .

  he also admonished his true followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time .. the leaders of the wts even back to the late 1800's set a time calculated on their own theology 1874 being the first time set and proclaimed by c t russell, also proclaiming 1914 would likely be the year of the final day of judgment armageddon.

  all throughout the 20th century the wts held to this doctrine but was eventually revised of course when it was realized this generation had passed away who saw the events of 1914. .

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  This is like asking Mary Todd (Mrs. Abraham) Lincoln why she hated the play. There's so much to choose from and the answer will depend on your frame of reference and your own circumstances.
  
  There's the cross/stake issue, great crowd and other sheep, mediator for only the 144k and whether that is a literal number. But to go to the roots- selecting and insisting that Jehovah is God's name according to the English version of the Bible and inserting it into the Greek Scriptures. That is the biggest one.
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  This site needs a little more humor in it

  by HiddenPimo in

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  Maxwell Smart Publisher: You need to come back to the truth because the entire world is lying in the power of the wicked one and Jehovah is going to end this system any day now?
  
  Me: I find that hard to believe.
  
  Maxwell Smart Publisher: Would you believe you need to come back because the entire world is indifferent to Jehovah and Jehovah is upset about that and the end may come eventually?

  Me: Not much different. I still find that hard to believe.

  Maxwell Smart Publisher: Would you believe you need to come back because the Governing Body tells us to shun you and Jehovah is a real jerk and the time of the Biblical Armageddon is anyone's guess?
  
  Me: Well, maybe. Except for the need to come back.
  
  
  
  
  
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  Something I just realized!

  by Nikki collins in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  now that i'm out if i ever do find someone and settle down and start a family, my parents wont be a part of it.

  my dad wont walk me down the isle if i get married, if i have kids they wont know their grandparents.

  oh and by the way i had my freaking tubes tied so as not to have kids in this system.

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  OnTheWayOut

  A big platonic hug to you, Nikki.
  I have family in the JW's, my wife and my mother and my in-law family. But I realize that my particular situation has enabled me to avoid family shunning. I have no kids that are torn between the world and the religion of my wife. So I am plenty depressed at times about what I am dealing with, but I recognize that some have it worse.

  We have former JW's that don't get to see their grandchildren or whose entire family shuns them.

  All I can say is that if I had to go through some or all of that kind of stuff, I would rather do that rather than quietly go back to the Kingdom Hall and live PIMO (physically IN, mentally OUT). If I did have little kids, I would get DF'ed because I would want to offer them a real life with extracurricular activities, holidays, birthdays, dating, music, fun. I wouldn't want to skirt the issues to keep peace in the family and let the kids suffer.
  
  And in many ways, I do that for myself. I don't skirt the issues to keep peace in the family. I tell the family to avoid discussion of the religion and so will I. That's peace enough. I lost my JW friends but not the family. I got new friends who are way better now anyway. And if I had to lose the relatives, my good friends are up to taking their place.
  
  You do need to slow down, but not stop living a regular life. You can pursue a love interest. Just know that you might need to find yourself more than find someone else. But no harm in doing both. "Road to nowhere" above said it beautifully. My half-brother is so much younger than me and we don't really know each other. I have reached out, but his family situation is really damaged by his circumstances. I don't know how it's working out, but he married a lady with kids and who was tight with her family. He embraced her family because they were what he needed. I hope he's happy. I hope you find what you need and embrace it.
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  Would You Be Afraid To Visit The Dominican Republic?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a lot of bad things are happening there lately.

  people on vacation are mysteriously dying or getting violently ill. i’ve been there three times in the past.

  the first time it was great!

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  I was leery about visiting the Dominican Republic before any of this latest stuff happened.
  So yeah!!!!
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  my story...

  by Nikki collins in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of you have asked about my story, so here it is.

  it's a bit long lol.

  however i still loved jeremy but because he wasn’t a witness i knew i could never be with him and have my family.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Nikki, that is a compact story- WOW! I mean, it seems like you said your whole life in a few long paragraphs.
  I hope that sharing it has helped you.

  I am going to recommend that you start a healing process. Currently, some of the very best books for self-therapy (which is free except for the cost of the books) can be found in the writings of Bonnie Zieman- a former JW turned therapist.

  Start here- https://www.amazon.com/EXiting-JW-Cult-Handbook-Witnesses/dp/1508477132/ref=asc_df_1508477132/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312129792228&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8695491500288780152&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021728&hvtargid=pla-448551095427&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60258872617&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312129792228&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8695491500288780152&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021728&hvtargid=pla-448551095427

  Beyond that, I must say you need to be careful with using real names, regardless of the fact that you are never going back.
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  The Truth about the bible

  by TTWSYF in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.

  they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.

  they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].

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  Jehovah's Witnesses are Unitarians with a Protestant Bible Canon.

  Take that.