Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

by minimus in

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friends

i agree with people who say all lives matter.

i think blm is a racist group.

if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

OnTheWayOut

When they stood with Boston after the marathon bombing, the slogan "Boston Strong" was okay with virtually everyone. You did not hear people in Houston complaining that they were strong also.

Same with Las Vegas after the concert shooting. Social media largely replaced the slogan about "what happens in Vegas" with [hashtag]VegasStrong. None of that is insulting to other cities.

If people raise money and awareness for death-dealing strokes, it doesn't mean those people are for death by cancer.

A group has a specific cause about black lives and some of you act as if they are against blue lives or white lives. Not at all. It's really no different from people fighting to save the whales and you all assume they wish porpoises would be killed.

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new situation in world helpful to org?

by Magnum in

sometimes new situations can provide cover for one’s mistakes or intentions.

for example, suppose that i crack the windshield in my dad’s car one night.

i go home, park the car in its usual spot in the yard, and go to bed without telling my dad because i’m scared and i’m trying to think of a way out of the situation.

OnTheWayOut

The men in charge are mostly yes men brought in by previous G.B.. They are not only not inspired by Holy Spirit but are not really inspired in any way compared to the likes of Fred or Ray Franz or Russel or Rutherford.

They are in charge at a horrible junction- the time where the internet easily exposes their doctrines and past as they try to reinvent themselves into jwdotorg and get away from Watchtower Bible and Tract printing company because print is nearly dead. Meanwhile, the exposure is creating lawsuits.

So yeah, they could easily give up the Kingdom Halls. Recruiting is also dead anyway, so stealing the life force from their remnant is all they have left. That, and property.

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Watchtower August 2020 Are they introducing new light?

by Listener in

the latest watchtower is now out and they make this statement -.

7 during the thousand year rule of christ, all of jehovah’s earthly children will have to make changes to please him.

so all of them will have true fellow feeling as they help the resurrected ones to combat sinful tendencies and to live by jehovah’s standards.

OnTheWayOut

I agree with Hisclarkness from page 1

"I think this is just more of a slip up on the writer’s part in not paying attention to their own doctrine. "

But it is such a nothing change if it is deliberate. "We decided something about the technical position of people in the new system, which is never actually arriving anyway. And even if it did, God would decide these things, or such a silly technicality wouldn't matter to him like it does to the G.B.."

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Has anyone ever turn down being appointed an Elder or MS?

by Davros in

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friends

has anyone turned it down or know of someone who did turn down being an elder or ms?.

yes, it should be one of the biggest privileges a brother can get !!

(how do i put the barfy icon in?

OnTheWayOut

I was one of the elders and this M.S. was the perfect candidate. He helped the sick and elderly, he spent quality time talking to people in the teritory.

He said NO THANKS a few times until someone talked him into it like 2 years later.

He hated all the stupid games between congregations at a shared hall and having to discuss the poor spirituality of good people just going through stuff.

He moved to a different state. Wwe visited and, despite an excellent reputation, refused to be an elder or M.S. in his new congregation.

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My parents died from the corona virus

by Hotpepper in

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both my 84 yr old jw father and my never my jw mother 82 with both together died from the the corona in 24 hours of each other.

i can tell many fighting i have had here in the last 20 years.on this site .

i juy hope they rest in peace.

OnTheWayOut

So sorry to read of your loss.

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Fading

by Cordelia18 in

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friends

hi i was on here a few years ago, i ended up caving to family pressure and returning to the borg i've since married and have 2 children .

all the reasons i returned are still here, my parents are elderly and i really don't want to hurt them but i just can't do it anymore i need to leave before my kids are brainwashed, i need to be clever this time .

last time i was dfed and became dependant on drink i am in aa and sober now and learning the true meaning of sprituality i know without a doubt that it is a dangerous cult, but i need some tips on fading, its so hard when i want to shout from the roof tops how blind they are.

OnTheWayOut

Fading is tough if your main goal is anything beyond civil relationships with your family.

D.O.C. has a fairly good reason for not attending. Or just blame weakness and busy schedules and YADDA YADDA anything until they get the hint that you just don't want to go there and just don't want to talk about your reasons.

Let them think its just spiritual weakness. Then add in that the elders talked to you recently, and they were total jerks.

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Had the craziest dream that my wife Disassociated from the JW cult

by goingthruthemotions in

what a crazy dream, it was so cool....she came to me and told me she da'd from the cult.

i was so happy in my dream.

when i woke, it took me a few seconds to realize it was only a dream and that she is still brainwashed.

OnTheWayOut

I haven't recalled actually dreaming the same about my wife while I was asleep.

But I daydream about her waking up to the truth and leaving JW's.

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Why are things wrong?

by Tim207 in

during our family worship tonight a thought popped into my head while watching this weeks video on demon influence.

why is does jehovah not like certain things?

like why is homosexuality wrong?

OnTheWayOut

Sin was invented by men in charge of the faith of others, invented to make them feel guilty or unworthy. Then the men would offer a way, usually involving something of value, to appease that guilt or make you feel worthy.

Jehovah's Witnesses are following the Christian doctrines of the Bible and adding their own special spin to make members feel guilty or unworthy, just as others have done as long as organized religion exists.

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What's The Point?

by AllTimeJeff in

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it's been 12 years since i submitted my resignation letter, and stopped playing by their rules.. in a spurt of manic rationality, i blew up the bridge, sky high.

knowing that the diseased organ would need to be forever removed, away from anything remotely functional in my mind, body, and soul.

lest i be tempted to return.... so, i left.

OnTheWayOut

Slightly rounding, I was fully "in" for 20 years and fully "out" for the last 13 years.
In the last 11 or even 12 years, I could not imagine going back to a similar lifestyle of busy busy busy for some bullshit. I have a wife, a mother, and an entire in-law family still in that religion. So I don't feel I will ever 100% get away from it. But aside from a couple of weddings and funerals, I have stayed away from it.

Mental health was extremely important to me. I had such a boatload of unresolved issues that caused me to enlist as a JW to begin with. I had to address them. Bonnie Zieman's books had not existed yet. They would have helped tremendously.

https://www.amazon.com/Bonnie-Zieman/e/B00XROE7JG%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

But I did find some great books on science, religion, philosophy, cults, etc. etc. and I did pretty good. I have a good job with health benefits, so I went to a therapist at the beginning of getting out and did even better.

The COVID19 thing has reared it's JW-ness into my life. Many many JW's I have known have my cell number and haven't spoken or texted in years. I was grateful they were leaving me alone. Because they know I am a first responder, a few of them have taken to texting me their concerns. But I know it is short-lived, as they are just a bunch of busy busy pioneers and elders that suddenly are not so busy. Sometime soon, they will be back to being fully immersed in their false spirituality and I can go back to being left alone.

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Who is considered more bizarre?

by incognito2014 in

jws or mormons.

from a public point of view not from people within the religion as that would be obvious.. examples of extreme beliefs or behaviour would be useful..

OnTheWayOut

I am with JeffT on page 1

I've long thought that Mormons have some weird beliefs, but they are much better members of the community than JW's.

Mormons are weirder and have a much crazier doctrine and have still achieved the Watchtower dream- being considered a more mainstream religion. Kinda like they are just more devout, but still do Christmas and serve in the military and put education high on their list of priorities.

They may be more accepted in the United States for all that, plus they are extremely a white religion.