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  LEECHES?!? LEECHES!?! You gotta be kiddin' !! Ever seen this?

  by Open mind in

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  on my recent "college courses" thread, i got this contribution from veradico and thought it deserved it's own thread.

  it was news to me.

  this is a partial quote:.

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  veradico

  I guess I'll post this half of my response here.... Glad you liked the tidbit about leeches, Open Mind. I find it amusing as well. Of course there are crazier things in the Society's history, but this is one of those bazaar things that is still, as far as I know, current light. The point about feeding snakes live mice is illustrative of one of the major problems I have with the Organization's reasoning. Blood is the symbol of life, so it's wrong to allow something else to consume it to preserve its life. However, a living animal, life itself, can be fed to a snake without violating their rules; likewise, living people are allowed to die for the symbol of life.
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

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  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  Even if you DA yourselves, no one will know. The Society changed the announcement. Now all they say is "so-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." Everyone will assume you were disfellowshipped. I wish you all the best. My sister was recently asked to go to a JC because our cousin told our pioneer aunt that my sister thinks Jehovah's Witnesses is one of the most psychologically damaging religions in existence. My sister's tactic was this. She called the elder, told him she would not be able to attend on the day they had arranged, and further told him that she needed the elders to transfer her cards as she was moving to a different town. I don't know whether this will work or not, but moving one's cards has been an effective means in the past for Witnesses to "fade" without being "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses" -ified. Good luck.
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  OKM 09/07 (english)- Just another brick in the wall...

  by metaspy in

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  ok guys and gals, i (being the assistant to the magazine counter) have acquired the newest okm.. i have uploaded it to imagevenue.com: here.

  hopefully that works!.

  by the way drew, your translation was very close.

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  veradico

  I liked how certain words are used in the article that would only have a negative connotation to someone initiated into the Jehovah's Witnesses' "pure language." Words like "independent" and "debate." Some have already commented on the use of "associates."
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  Have you ever faked a service report?

  by Orgull in

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  it's only my third day here so, go easy on me.

  lol.. seriously, my new doubts have made it harder and harder to go in service.

  a few months ago, when a new month rolled around, i realized that i hadn't actually gone in service at all the previous month.

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  I only wish I had thought to do it earlier. Only near the end did I put down fake hours, but it was an amazing relief. I was serving as a MS, commuting to college, working, and helping my sister take care of my mom. My friend, whose situation was very similar to mine, refused to put down fake hours when I suggested the idea to him. This was even after he and I stopped believing in the Organization. He agreed that they had no right to demand an account of our time in the ministry and that it was wrong for time slips to be the primary way of judging someone's spirituality, but it still bothered his conscience to lie. I respected that, but it did not change my attitude. I felt that their definition of "sacred service" was arbitrary. The goal should be for every moment of one's life to be "sacred service" to principles like rationality, compassion, creativity, etc. (i.e. all the stuff God is supposed to represent). Not only are 10 hours of formal ministry per month a difficult and almost unreasonably high expectation of ordinary people, but a mere 10 hours of true "sacred service" is an unreasonably low expectation of people who claim to be imitators of Christ.
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  The Kingdumb Melodies

  by WTWizard in

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  one of the things i find distasteful is what the witnesses' taste for music is.

  they have the same 225 songs that they had since 1984. and many of those were carried from the previous book.. what i noticed while i was there is that none of the songs are really music.

  they are so poorly written and performed that i think whoever was in charge of it just threw it together.

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  veradico

  Let's not forget song #125:
  
  "I know that in this crucial hour
  
  My faith will yet be tested.
  
  Around me swarms the Devil’s crowd
  
  Like bees that were molested.
  
  But I can ever beat them off
  
  Beneath divine protection."
  
  I never could keep a straight face during these verses, and I spent almost all my time keeping a "straight" face.
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  anyone seen the new Spider Man movie?

  by veradico in

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  the movie is full of action, gymnastic feats of superhuman dexterity and strength, humor, interesting characters, etc.

  all one could ask from a comic turned into a movie.

  the ending will leave one with a bad impression.

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  I agree about Harry. Didn't the same actor play in some TV show a while back about alien teenagers pretending to be human? I forget the name of the show, but I remember watching it one day and my grandma walked in while one of them was using their alien powers. She started screaming: DEMONIC! DEMONIC!... Anyway, I liked the dance scene as well, but I couldn't help but notice that Toby McGuire can't be evil. The best he can do is look like a disgruntled teenager. He's been taken over by an evil, alien parasite, and suddenly he's emo. Ha! But I suppose that's part of his charm.
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  anyone seen the new Spider Man movie?

  by veradico in

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  the movie is full of action, gymnastic feats of superhuman dexterity and strength, humor, interesting characters, etc.

  all one could ask from a comic turned into a movie.

  the ending will leave one with a bad impression.

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  veradico

  The movie is full of action, gymnastic feats of superhuman dexterity and strength, humor, interesting characters, etc. All one could ask from a comic turned into a movie. The ending will leave one with a bad impression. It's full of sappy tears and hugs and dialog. But after you reflect on the experience overall, I think you'll agree it was a fun ride.
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  If you could know when the end was coming, would you want to know?

  by avidbiblereader in

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  would you or do you feel you couldn't function the closer it arrived?.

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  veradico

  I think this question is interesting because it gives me an insight into my personality. I don't tend to think the End is coming, but, presuming it is, when I try to imagine whether I'd rather know or not, I conclude that I'd rather know. The danger is that the nearness or distance of the End could change how I live my life in the present. It would be silly, for example, to plan for my old age if I knew the End would come first; on the other hand, if I knew the End would come after my death, I would probably spend more time preparing for the future. However, I would hope that my overall attitude towards life would remain the same. Whether this world will end or not, I should still do what I can to appreciate it and make it a nice place for myself and others. I'd rather work on whatever mental issues I would need to resolve based on such knowledge than be ignorant.
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  Are JW's generally better than average people?

  by JH in

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  i for one, would blindly trust just about anyone on this forum, just the fact of knowing that you already were a jw.. does this mean that jw's in general are better people or are we a very close bunch of people?.

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  veradico

  Oh yeah... could someone make at least the first two links clickable? You don't need to bother with the creepy Phelps' sites. I just put them down in case someone wanted to satisfy his/her morbid curiosity. :-)
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  Are JW's generally better than average people?

  by JH in

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  i for one, would blindly trust just about anyone on this forum, just the fact of knowing that you already were a jw.. does this mean that jw's in general are better people or are we a very close bunch of people?.

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  veradico

  I'm reminded of an article on the Phelps family. "In some ways they're a model family. All these things that you associate with the breakdown of families, like the dad's gone to the pub all the time or they just watch TV and the parents don't talk to the kids, well you can't put that on this family. They spend all their recreational time together and they all look out for each other. They don't really have friends outside the church because all their best friends are in the church. It's important to recognise the good qualities of the family as it helps explain why so many of them have stayed in it and embraced the hateful stuff."
  
  You can watch the BBC show here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4413388146858417528&q=most+hated+family+in+america
  
  The article I'm quoting from can be found here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6507971.stm
  
  If you watch the video, I'm sure you'll all see how very like the Witnesses the Phelps family is. In fact, the Phelps family is exactly the way I imagine the older generation of Witnesses, like those in Hitler's Germany. They were generally nice people whose sense of persecution was validated by the fact that their provocative message incited violence against them, forcing their community to band together and thus producing, within that community, an intimate social bond and the sort of behavior we associate with truly kind and generous people.
  
  The Phelps family's church owns the following websites:
  www.godhatesfags.com
  www.godhatescanada.com
  www.godhatesamerica.com
  www.priestsrapeboys.com
  www.hatemongers.com
  www.thesignsofthetimes.net