bboy-
LMFAO
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jdublas over the 25 limit username.
perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
bboy-
LMFAO
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jdublas over the 25 limit username.
perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
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you didnt reply to my post, which i didnt expect you to. its funny how often my posts can render you speechless. ill re-post it for emphasis:
well, whatever reason you want to give for this enormous rally weve had is fine with me, either way it was predictable with stocks being so oversold, wouldnt you agree? (oh thats right, you thought the oversold levels were "imaginary"). did you at least buy some stock yk, in anticipation of all this "panic buying"? i mean, a guy like yourself, with all your infinite knowledge of the financial system shouldve at least been able to play this "panic" rally and make a few bucks in the interim. maybe you couldve payed off your debt to the board with your profits.aa
jdublas over the 25 limit username.
this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.
only reason the way he looked.
in mesa az.
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only one more post for me today, gotta go. your ignorance keeps showing so bright though, i just cant refrain......
but hey
we want the easy three in a row ONE MAN ONE ORGANIZATION
I think not.
um, actually no. go back and watch tapes of all of bush's statements. we (not just the u.s., but all other countries that are in agreement with us as well) are waging war on ALL terrorist, not just bid laden's group.....and we will no doubt end up infiltrating more than one country, and finding/fighting more than one terrorist group.
do we stand for freedom of religion or not.
Are all men(even those with breads and turbins) created equal
or not. Kings pawn to k-4.
actually, it is indeed the men who planned and carried out these attacks who do not believe in freedom of religion. this war against terrorism will be to uphold freedom of religion, but i'm quite sure you don't understand any of this.
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this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.
only reason the way he looked.
in mesa az.
You don't care to know why the attack happened or why the Afghani's celebrate. That is fine, but my desire to further my understanding of other people doesn't make me a sick person and doesn't mean I support what they have done.
i dont think it makes you a sick person to want to understand whats behind it, and i wouldnt say i dont care to know either. when i say i dont want to understand why someone enjoys watching a murder, maybe i do associate understanding with support in that instance, im not sure. but you are correct, this is of little importance in the grand scheme of how this situation is best handled.
And why does he believe the earth needs to be ridden of americans/christians/jews/etc? Because his interpretation of islam lead him to believe that americans et. al. are evil - ie he doesn't agree with our way of life. We can round and round on this for days.
very true, we could probably go round and round on this one, and it would serve no purpose. i was merely stating that from what i had read and researched, these attacks and his views on us were more racial than anything else. (that these were the "evil" races/religions). along these lines then, if it were racial, obviously we do not choose our race, but we choose our way of life. again though, probably a pointless argument.
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this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.
only reason the way he looked.
in mesa az.
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jdubla, I don't know what you want from us.
hopefully from my last post you can see im asking you for nothing. in fact, i believe i was carrying on this dispute of war vs. no war with stephen and cross before you joined in, so i really had no idea what your stance on war was to begin with. obviously you advocate it in the same manner that i do. cross and stephen seemingly do not advocate it (war) for any reason, or at least not in this instance with bid laden and his followers.
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this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.
only reason the way he looked.
in mesa az.
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we just want a reason to do it and now we think we have
that reason. Long Live White Christians. We have NEVER
liked these people peaceful or not.
i do not advocate these racially motivated killings you keep speaking of, but obviously its a subject which you feel the need to preach about; it just doenst really pertain to our discussion. the only force i advocate is the force needed to bring all parties involved in the attacks to justice, the same as any other crime. that course of action may have to include acts of war. do i think we should wipe out afghanistan? no. do i think there may have to be fighting in afghanistan in order to bring in bid laden and shut down his camps? yes. pretty simple stuff, but some just dont get it.
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this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.
only reason the way he looked.
in mesa az.
for those of you who havent figured it out, this is still jdubla. i filled up my 25 limit post for the day so i had to grab a new i.d.
this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.
only reason the way he looked.
in mesa az.
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I can sit back and I do say that .....I would say if MR "wanted dead or alive" wants to play that way ...then MEET with BIN-Laden and talk to the guy... where is the fear at anyway.If someone had LISTENED to him(BIN LADEN) when we invaded IRAQ .. or at least talked to him THEN.. there would be at least a cahnce this discussion would be about penant races now and not terrorism.
you are again, sorely mistaken. bin laden wants nothing from us. he has no demands, and no amount of talking to him will convince him that he no longer needs to rid the earth of all "infidels". this is a religious belief, and these are religious attacks.
no different than Cain & ABEL.... the only solution is education & love and respect ... and if you want the fast food version .. it just wont be.....
i personally am not asking for the "fast food version" of this solution. i DO advocate force in bringing these terrorists to justice, and thereby hopefully deterring future terrorism. its that simple. this process will be anything but "fast", it will no doubt take years.
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this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.
only reason the way he looked.
in mesa az.
conflict-
We were attacked beacuse they don't agree with our way of life. They rejoice at our suffering and death because they don't agree with our way of life.
actually you are dead wrong on this one. they may not agree with our way of life, but you need to do some serious research on bid laden if you think this is why he has attacked the u.s. this is part of a holy war for him, and he and his followers believe that god has chosen them to rid the earth of all americans/christians/jews/etc., and return it to the post-muhammad period where muslims ruled over all. this is not islamic teaching, but only the teachings of this militant group of muslims who have broken off on their own. they are what we would here call a cult.
Was he hated because he was a terrible manager and treated his employees badly - I would 'understand' their rejoicing -
this is one area that we definitely differ in conflict. i would not understand any human being rejoicing in this type of brutal murder of another human being, regardless of how bad a manager he was. i could understand their hatred of him, of course, but understand their rejoicing in his torturous death? once again, i would not want to understand this type of human sickness.
I hold bin laden and his organization responsible. You can also read that I want them to be tried for their crimes. That doesn't necessarily mean I want the US to invade Afghanistan, but if he doesn't turn himself in we have to go in and get him.
i agree with you 100% on this one. this is the course of action that needs to be taken. this course in itself is one of force/war though. you see, what i was asking for was an ALTERNATIVE solution to force/war. obviously, i did not know that you were a proponent of these actions, as i gather that the other two parties in this discussion are anti-force. on this part of the topic, you and i have no disagreement. this is what has to happen.
Unfortunately, because of his religious beliefs, his people don't think he is guilty of anything. And an invasion of Afghanistan is going to be seen by his supporters as an act of war where his actions are seen as a holy act.
very true.
aa
this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.
only reason the way he looked.
in mesa az.
hang on