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  to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

  by dubla in

  1. watchtower
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  i started this new thread as you requested.

  we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

  the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

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  toribabe-

  Doe's it really matter if they've trailed off,

  does it matter? no, not really. i was just asking if yoyo was planning to ignore me, that way in the future i could avoid discussions with him/her, in order to avoid wasting my time.

  what they are saying is the truth.

  and you have some basis for your claim i suppose?

  You may accuse them of avoiding your issue, but maybe your issue is irrelivent.

  i dont think the issue of jehovahs witnesses being a false prophet is irrelevant....and i dont think anyone truly interested in the religion, in or out, would believe this to be an irrelevant issue.

  I concider god not to arrogant.
  Arn't you supposed to have the attitude of god?
  So why are you so arragant, and you all seem to be the same.

  did you post on this thread because you actually had something of value to add to the disscussion, or are you just kicking up dust? it seems apparent that you have no intended function save "stirring the pot".

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  to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

  by dubla in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i started this new thread as you requested.

  we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

  the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

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  dubla

  bttt
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  to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

  by dubla in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i started this new thread as you requested.

  we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

  the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

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  dubla

  yoyo-

  you have once again, predictably, walked away from this discussion. you asked me to start a new thread, i did, posed the same thoughts over for you....when you didnt get the point, i restated it, posed more thoughts/questions, and then you dissapeared again. is this subject too hard to argue against, or do you just have a short attention span? if the latter is the case, just let me know, and i wont bother wasting my time with you the next time i feel compelled to refute your statements on a topic.

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  Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

  by YoYoMama in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the question.

  is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

  inspired by god as the bible was?

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  dubla

  You act as if Ray Franz was inspired by God, you follower of men

  LOL @ yoyo labeling someone else a follower of men

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  All this fighting is worthless

  by Danni in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.

  i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.

  you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.

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  danni-

  you obviously cant objectively read two different sides to the same topic. attacking an argument and attacking a person are two different things (and if anyone personally attacks people on this forum, its yk. i could provide you with numerous links of evidence, if youd like). many of us attack yks arguments for one reason, they are severely flawed. if yk is answering your questions, and we are trying to help you see both sides rather than the one-sided smoke-screen provided by yk, i would think youd be thankful that others were providing you with the extra information. in the end, each has to decide for themselves.....but dont you want all the information available before making that decision? apparently not, and this is not an attack on you, just an observation.

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  to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

  by dubla in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i started this new thread as you requested.

  we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

  the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

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  yoyo-

  You obviously already have a low viewpoint of the Witnesses. I would say 75% of Witnesses do read the scriptures to prove that the reasoning is accurate. I know I do.

  you missed what i was saying......namely, how many would come up with a different viewpoint/conclusion then the one presented to them by the society? you see, you contend that each witness should read the bible and "come to their own conclusions on the scriptures". by saying this, you are implying that some may come up with different views/conclusions from the societys, otherwise these conclusions wouldnt be "their own". do you see the difference?

  Oh, Witnesses are not disfellowshipped over anything. They are disfellowshipped over breaking Jehovahs laws and not repenting.

  again, you missed the point. the point i was making, is that if all witnesses have the right to reason on the scriptures, and come up with "their own conclusions", then they too could come up with "their own conclusions" about other issues, such as obstaining from blood, or what exactly is gods law for us now.

  Taking blood is not a conscience matter. It is a clear violation of Jehovahs law.

  according to who? according to the watchtowers views/conclusions from the scriptures yoyo; you are proving with this statement what ive been saying all along. it is not a "clear violation of jehovahs law", we could start a whole new thread on the blood issue, but it is a grey area at best, and it would be very easy for a witness to read the "blood" scriptures and come up with a different conclusion then the society has come up with on it......but a "true blue" witness wouldnt come up with a different stance, would they? if they did come up with "their own conclusion" about it, they would be instantly labeled an "apostate", correct?

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  to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

  by dubla in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i started this new thread as you requested.

  we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

  the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

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  dubla

  bttt for yoyo
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  to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

  by dubla in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i started this new thread as you requested.

  we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

  the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

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  dubla

  yoyo-

  But in this case I see things different from opposers of Jehovahs people, see I don't hold a grudge against my brothers.

  thats all fine and dandy yoyo, but whether or not you personally hold a grudge about 1975 isnt the point here, in fact it is completely irrelevant. the topic on hand is whether or not the wt "predicted" anything. you claim they did not, that they simply let others make their own conclusions about bible prophesy. my question was, if your claim is true, and the wt does NOT "predict" anything, then why did the jws ALL come to the same date for armageddon, namely 1975?

  About the other dates, you through out several, 1881, 1914, 1925 etc. These were articles of the FDS explaining Bible prophesy.

  and therefore by explaining what the prophesies meant to modern day humans, they were also predicting what the outcome of these prophesies would be, and when that outcome would take place. you cant get around this fact, no matter how hard you try. they claim to be gods channel to humans, then claim to decipher bible prophesy......how many "true blue" witnesses do you think would actually read these scriptures, and then come up with a different conclusion then what they read in the watchtower? none of course! this reasoning, again, is ridiculous.

  Each Witness could read the scriptures and reason for themselves.

  since you insist on continuing this line of reasoning, let me ask you this: since the witnesses can read the scriptures, and reason for themselves, then why the enforcing of "rules"? why disfellowship anyone for anything? perhaps one witness has read the scriptures on taking blood, and through their research and reasoning, has decided the wt is wrong about the blood issue, and therefore takes the transfusion willingly. what did this witness do wrong? according to you, each witness can "reason for themselves" what each scripture means, right? but without the watchtower to translate these scriptures and prophesies for the witnesses, they cant really do that can they?

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  to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

  by dubla in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i started this new thread as you requested.

  we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

  the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

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  dubla

  yoyo-

  i started this new thread as you requested. we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:

  The brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand Bible chronology and prophesy. They were not telling the reader what to believe, but to come to their own conclusions on the scriptures.

  to which i responded:

  "trying to understand bible chronology, and preaching your understanding to a whole group of people are two entirely different things yoyo. if they were merely "trying to understand"....then why did the masses of jws drastically change their lives in preparation for armageddon....repeatedly?"

  so that is the question i raise for you.......also: you say "they were not telling the reader what to believe", yet all of the witnesses believed the same thing about these dates for the end times. so youre telling me that the jw masses simply came up with the same "conclusions on the scriptures", coincidently, but not becuase of wt "predictions"? would any sane person believe this line of reasoning?

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  Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

  by YoYoMama in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the question.

  is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

  inspired by god as the bible was?

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  dubla

  yoyo-

  In that sense, the Witnesses have the guidance of Jehovah by means of his holy spirit.

  why do you feel the need to parrot yk? weve heard this same line of nonsense for a week now on yks "prophet" threads....is this simple coincidental timing on your part? why not just put this opinion of yours on the threads weve already started? after all, you havent given us anything new to ponder here, youve simply re-stated yks exact viewpoint, and just like yk, you cannot refute the arguments we posed to you in the other thread. ill leave a link here for you, in case youd like to revisit what you walked away from >>> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18415&site=3&page=9

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