cygnus-
hang in there man...best wishes on a speedy recovery (and a smooth surgery if it comes to that).
aa
just so i don't miss anybody who is interested.... my results from the ekg and the echogram showed a severe leak in a heart valve.
i am going for an angiogram on the 15th but the cardiologist says the liklihood is great that i will need open heart surgery.
rare for a 30 year old but if necessary, it is necessary.. no word yet on the results of the blood work for liver enzymes and hepatitis.
cygnus-
hang in there man...best wishes on a speedy recovery (and a smooth surgery if it comes to that).
aa
yeah, i know it's a bit old but i just saw the movie tonight.
i had no idea what the movie was about but i heard it was a true story.
now i wonder how much was fact and how much was artistic liscense.
i too saw the movie for the first time not to long ago,
and enjoyed it thoroughly. afterward, like you, i wondered about
the true story behind the events, and did a quick search on the net.
heres a few links:
>>> http://www.prairieghosts.com/moth.html
>>> http://www.mothmanlives.com/
>>> http://www.blather.net/archives2/issue2no5.html
the last link especially gives a bit of a look into keels
(the author of the book) personal experience in point pleasant,
and i got the idea that the movie was basically loosely based
on his experiences. obviously there was some hollywood embellishing
added, but the eye witness accounts sound real enough.
interesting story.
aa
Edited by - dubla on 8 July 2002 15:6:46
some historians date the beginning of the end of the soviet empire to the chernobyl disaster, for the reason that for several days after the explosion, as the radioactive cloud floated quietly over europe, the soviet government said nothing to warn people of the dangers that may have minimized some of the exposure.
it ruined their credibility, from which they never recovered.
presently, the whole capitalist system has an even worse credibility problem.
yk-
i missed one statement of yours looking back over it:
You said that there would be rallies until the markets turned for good.
no, this is what i said (ill bold/italic for clarification):
i do think we will have tradeable rallies in the meantime though, but i think weve got awhile yet before the markets turn for the good (for an extended stretch).
"turn for the good" meaning a bull period, and "for an extended stretch" meaning for a year, 18 mos, 2 years, etc.
but there will be no return to prosperity, if that's what you meant.
so you are saying we will never have another up year in the markets? or are you saying the dollar will be worthless before the end of this year, making "up year" and "down year" irrelevant terms? either way, i just wanted to clear up that one statement.
aa
some historians date the beginning of the end of the soviet empire to the chernobyl disaster, for the reason that for several days after the explosion, as the radioactive cloud floated quietly over europe, the soviet government said nothing to warn people of the dangers that may have minimized some of the exposure.
it ruined their credibility, from which they never recovered.
presently, the whole capitalist system has an even worse credibility problem.
yk-
You desperately want to believe that the system is going to go on.
yes, you keep repeating this line, over and over. i realize that you think i am "desperate to believe....etc"...but why? if the whole system falls apart tomorrow, what then? what should i be so afraid of? as i said before, god (according to your bible) and only god will judge my heart when that happens, and i have no fear of this judgement. unlike you, i do not feel it is neccesary to be a jw in order to be worthy of saving in gods eyes. if the system falls apart tomorrow, there is absolutely nothing i can do to stop it....so why should live in constant fear of it (as you assume i do)? ive asked this question to you many times, but you have no answer. your only answer is to keep going on like a broken record about how "desperate" i am to believe, blah blah. the only person desperate here in these discussions is you. when i go home at night, and on the weekends, these little exchanges are long forgotton......but for you its an obsession, a way of life....the only thing you know.
Of course you don't believe it, but that doesn't alter reality in any way, shape, or form.
ive said many times that i do indeed believe the end of this system will come....ive only maintained that i doubt itll happen in my lifetime, and that your version of how its going to happen is ridiculous. you keep confusing this with me not believing it will happen at all.....i guess ill just have to keep correcting you.
Do you imagine that apostates have some how removed Jehovah from his heavens, or that Christ's kingdom is now an unreality because of Ray Franz's little tattle tales,
i never said i thought the bible was all lies....just the jehovahs witness version of it. your interpretation of bible prophesy is just that, an interpretation. just becuase you believe "this" or "that" is what the scriptures mean doesnt make it so.
And, we are now, at long last, facing the end of the system that Jehovah's Witnesses have been preaching about for years.
i hate to tell you this, but jws arent the only ones who have been predicting the end.....many (most) religions do...jws are just the only ones to put specific time lines on it, which everyone knows (by reading the bible) is ridiculous and the worst possible thing anyone can do.
But, as it is, many people share your delusions, so the issues are worthy of discussion.
okay, fair enough. but if thats true, then why the need for all of the insults (not to mention the outright deceitful slander)? if these are simply "issues worthy of discussion", it seems the schoolyard tactics would only lesson the importance of the issues, and take away from your real message.
because I am on record as one anticipating nuclear war and financial collapse, then, I should have gained an enormous amount of credibility
with who? the apostates on here are beyond help according to you, so who would you have gained this "enormous amount of credibility" with? the lurkers? wow, after the internet falls, good luck tracking down the few lurkers that actually read your blubberings......believe me, most of them no doubt put you on their "ignore" list long ago. for most readers you are nothing more than the town drunk so to speak....the local madman raving in the streets. if it werent for me and a select few others, your threads would only consist of a few responses followed by your "LOL"s and namecalling. i guess you should be glad there are a few of us willing to waste our time with you.
Then, assuming the Internet stays up for awhile, I will have the last say
wow, thats a great goal, lol. your life really revolves around this hope you have to have the last say, doesnt it? you are more pathetic than i previously thought. again, our exchanges are nothing more than a time burner for me....but for you its your lifes work. it truly is sad.
Dubula must be away from his computer today? / You Know
yes, ive said many times that i only respond to you during work hours, as not to waste my personal time on meaningless matters. i took a four day weekend and soaked up some sun.
aa
the weekend is here....have a great 4th for all those celebrating!.
click here for some virtual fireworks >>> .
http://www.fireworks.com/interactive/fireworks_show/default.asp.
the weekend is here....have a great 4th for all those celebrating!
click here for some virtual fireworks >>>
http://www.fireworks.com/interactive/fireworks_show/default.asp
aa
i have really enjoyed getting to know so many of you.
don't consider this a permanent goodbye, as i'll most likely stop back every now and again to see how you are faring.
and to keep you updated with me and the family deal.. the reality is, this board was great for me while i was pregnant, i was so sick.
lisa! jeez, whats this board coming to? pretty soon simon will be on here saying his last goodbye because of the "america bashing"......thanks alot mark and janh, youve scared off some of the long time locals. well lisa, have fun, youll no doubt be missed on here.
aa
some historians date the beginning of the end of the soviet empire to the chernobyl disaster, for the reason that for several days after the explosion, as the radioactive cloud floated quietly over europe, the soviet government said nothing to warn people of the dangers that may have minimized some of the exposure.
it ruined their credibility, from which they never recovered.
presently, the whole capitalist system has an even worse credibility problem.
yk-
Here Dubula, you my enjoy reading this piece, called: "The End of a Delusion."
well, i clicked on your link, and got as far as this statement....
"if the reader is patient with me...."
then i got impatient, lol. no, actually it was by that point i realized it was going to simply be an extended version of one of your little speeches (read: blubberings) on here.
btw, youve still never answered my question, which was (revised):
if you honestly believe im a delusional pathological liar (and a fool), that i have such severe brain-lock that reasoning with me is pointless, and that im so far below you intellectually that dealing with me is an embarrassing mistake on your part, why do you even address me personally? you see, considering the statements youve made (if they were honest), you surely are not addressing me to try and reason with me, right? because i am beyond that in your mind (too far gone in the delusion). so the only possible reason you could have to address me (as you have many times on this thread) is to try and discredit my words. you must think my reasoning and sharing of historical facts poses some sort of threat to you little mission..?.
aa
some historians date the beginning of the end of the soviet empire to the chernobyl disaster, for the reason that for several days after the explosion, as the radioactive cloud floated quietly over europe, the soviet government said nothing to warn people of the dangers that may have minimized some of the exposure.
it ruined their credibility, from which they never recovered.
presently, the whole capitalist system has an even worse credibility problem.
yk-
The fact that you would use terms like "confidence levels"
confidence levels can be and are measured....its not a term i just made up, its a statistical fact.
as if a perfect pattern could be possibly predicting another bull market, is proof that you are still laboring under a wide spread delusion.
actually, its never a "perfect pattern", but yes there are striking similarities in every bear market and every bull market.
That, of course, is nonsense.
its only "of course" nonsense to you, larouche, and the band of merry lackies that follows his blubberings. when the dollar becomes worthless, then you can tell me how much nonsense it all was. of course, when that happens, the internet will no doubt collapse, so i guess you wont get the chance to yell "i told you all so!!", lol.
"Confidence levels" on the Titanic were high even after the captain gave the order to abandon the doomed vessel, because people were under the delusion that the ship really was "unsinkable."
your little titanic illustration only reinforces what ive been saying, namely that confidence levels are almost always wrong.
What do you plan on using for currency, toilet paper?
during the next tradeable rally? im quite sure the dollar will still be worth something then........are you now predicting the dollar will become worthless before any further market rallies? thats a hilarious prediction if so.....please confirm so i can refer back to it later. (btw, a "tradeable" rally is a move of 1000 pts or more on the dow, generally).
That you would "hold out hope" that they are not ground zero for the debt implosion indicates that you want desperately to believe a lie---a delusion.
just becuase i, and most other sane people, dont buy into your "collapse" scenario doesnt mean im "desperately trying to believe" anything. i enjoy our little exchanges, but its not like i lose sleep over these gloom and doom scenarios you and larouche cook up. when i was a brainwashed jw, was i desperately trying to hold on to a lie then? looking back now, and knowing it was all lies, i dont think i really had much of a choice but to believe them.....it was engrained in me from childhood. so even if your economic collapse prediction came true, i wouldnt exactly look back and say, "gee, i was really trying to hold on to a lie there".....this type of argument is your way of trying to discredit everyone who doesnt buy the swampland you are trying to sell them.
you will have to come to terms with The truth. That has to be an absolutely terrifying prospect for someone who has invested their entire life into this system of things.
actually, i invested my first 20 years in the jw religion, so that statement is a bit off. if during my lifetime, armageddon comes, only god will judge the hearts of mankind, and only god will judge my heart. so no, its not terrifying at all......im sure god knows my true heart condition, which has very little to do with my view of the markets.
aa
pardon my ignorance, having never been a jw, but what do jw's do on the fourth since they don't believe in flag and country?
can they go to friend's bar-b-ques?
is it ok if they go to a parade or firework display?
celia-
mike (nytel) is a ministerial servant....cant you tell by his attitude?
aa
pardon my ignorance, having never been a jw, but what do jw's do on the fourth since they don't believe in flag and country?
can they go to friend's bar-b-ques?
is it ok if they go to a parade or firework display?
Im not sure all Witness famillies were this strict but mine were.
yeah, none of the witness families around here are that strict. we always watched fireworks somewhere when i was growing up in the religion, and i know alot of active witnesses that still do.
aa