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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

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  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

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  zarco

  Lady Liberty,

  You point is one that I have thought a lot about and I genrally concur with your conclusion. Although I feel that he does have an organization eventhough it is not the only means of salvation.

  Jesus was obviously Jah's channel but he recognized the possiblity that others not worshipping in the "normal" way could be on God's side. And your point indeed gives us a lot to think about.

  My personal belief is that the sign of the son of man will be so dramatic that many will choose to align themselves with Jesus. This is a future event. If JWs are the true religion can imagine the surprise when many millions flock to Jesus based on his sign. These would not have had the time to serve in the "approved" way rather would come in at the last minute so to speak.
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco

  Drew,
  
  I think there can be middle ground.

  If one believes the Bible that Abraham’s seed is the means that all nations of the earth bless themselves. It might trouble some that Abraham had significant flaws. He apparently, (1) lied about his relationship with Sarah (although many would have done the same), lived and associated with his father Terah who worshipped a pagan God and (3) directly questioned Jehovah regarding the destruction of Sodom.

  So obviously he at times had what some would call errors in judgment. Did that mean that he was not God’s means for blessing mankind? Of course not! On balance the Bible describes him as God’s friend.

  Today the WT is teaching what I feel is the truth about (1) the mortality of the human soul, (2) the monotheism of Jehovah, (3) the resurrection and (4) the ransom and God’s purpose for the earth. Do they also teach things that have proved to be false? Yes!. But no other religion that I know of has the core issues right.

  Did God let men such as Eli, Manaseh, Saul, Judas and others serve? The Bible suggests that He did. Does this mean that the nation of Isreal was not God’s channel? Or does it mean that Jesus is not God’s son since he messed up in choosing Judas? I don’t believe that to be the case.

  So bottom line, I feel that God has a channel and that channel has proved to be very flawed. Until I can find a better channel I am sticking with this one and will await His instruction.

  zarco
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco

  I am not promoting just expressing my vote. Next time would you suggest the poll with out my vote?
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco

  minimus,

  I am just curious about the thoughts of folks on the forum - therefore the vote - the responses so far have been interesting and different than I would expect. I would have guessed more votes for #2 and I was wrong. Apparently the WT has caused more hurt among this population than I anticipated. I am sorry for that. The data is interesting even if the debate is not up to usual standards.

  zarco
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco

  - how would that status make the WT different from any other Christian denomination ?

  It doesn't - therefore the need for an inspection and clearing out of apostasy.

  - where exactly did they "start" erring ?

  - isn't the true motive of this belief something like, "I can't believe that I have spent a significant part of my life in a mere cult that was never the center of anything big"?

  So are you currently at the center of something "big"? If so what is it and how has it impacted others for good?

  I sincerely hope you'll be able to laugh about that soon, and not waste the rest of your life on the fringe of the fringe...

  Actually doing pretty well at all aspects of life, partly due to the TMS, partly due to family and partly due to god given abilities, no waste that I have been able to note so far other than watching a bit a TV from time to time

  zarco
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco

  Doubting Bro,

  Thanks for your post. I also believe we are experiencing the Great Apostasy. At his second coming (or maybe at the celestial sign of the son of man) his inspection will likely surprise all of us. The arrogance of our religion cannot be pleasing to the God who humbles himself to interact with humans. Time will tell the story. In some ways I am nervous for people like you and me who are part of a flawed organization, but I try my best to adhere to His principles and I can tell from your posts that you do as well.

  Respectfully,

  zarco
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco

  From apostate Isreal a messiah appeared - my opinion is that from what God is working with today he will make known his truth and remove those who have abused the sheep
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco

  Agreed - fill in the gap and resend the poll
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  zarco

  As some of you know I am an active JW in search of the truth and I see many good and bad things in the organization – I am interested in knowing the following from forum. Which of the following statements best describe your belief -
  
  1 - the WTBTS is Jehovah’s channel and I believe what it teaches me (I had to ask:)

  2 - the WTBTS is Jehovah’s channel but it has deviated from the truth and has become like apostate Israel and no longer reflects the teachings of Jesus

  3 - Jehovah uses other earthly channels and individuals to communicate His truth

  4- There is no spiritual truth

  For whatever it is worth I vote for #2 and feel that Jah has used and will use the WTBTS, but he must remove apostate leadership before that channel dispenses what is true and aligned with Jehovah’s thinking.

  zarco