these are some excellent links for those that are investigating the pros and cons of blood transfusions.
the bloodless medicine & surgery institute .
the nj institute for the advancement of bloodless medicine and surgery .
jehovah's Witnesses do not 'follow God's law' in calling for the death of innocent children some as young as a few days old. What they can be demonstrating as following is:
the threat of Expelling/Shunning!!!
That you can take to the bank.
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i can assure you that every word posted about the queens new york injustice is true.
btw, even though stephen lett was not on the gb when the case started, he was on the gb later on when the case was still being fought and he was personally notified about the details of everything that was going on and he did nothing.. the original elders involved from the merrick congregation in jamaica queens are george jenkins, darrel jenkins, willie gant, james lilly, joseph douse.
paul moske is the correct name and he was also involved in this case.
Not that I want to hold a grudge or anything, but as long as I'm giving out a BTTT, I would like to say this:
If adumbperson wasn't so hateful and spiteful and patronizing and condescending and holier-than-thou, there would be no need for other people to 'rise up' in their defense.
I consider adumbperson part of the 'family' here at JW.com, with important contributions sometimes and I hope he/she/it remains---HOWEVER I see no need to quietly and silently put up with abuse here on this forum from theis dip***t. No one is better than anyone else around here, whether they are on some 'inside track' or not.
Thanks for listening..
(((((((((worf))))))))
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why call pedophiles "sexual terrorists?
" look into the eyes of a young child who has been a victim and you will see why.
look into the eyes and life of a grown women whose life has been scared from childhood, and hear about the hell she has had to work through.. if you could see my eyes, you would see the eyes of experience - you would see a man who, as a 5 year old boy, watched his sister raped by a pedophile - and who knew the feeling of being totally helpless.
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And thanks, as always, for the bttt fredhall!!
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would it be possible please to contact me at - at your earliest convenience please?
if anyone can contact him and pass this message on, it would also be appreciated.
thanks.. path
Hawkaw, I need to contact you as well as soon as possible...Monday would be fine. It's important, but not urgent.
Thanks!!!
these are some excellent links for those that are investigating the pros and cons of blood transfusions.
the bloodless medicine & surgery institute .
the nj institute for the advancement of bloodless medicine and surgery .
YoYoidiot as usual is trying to turn attention away from real issues...that is freedom of choice and INFORMED consent.
When the Watchtower (or JW's on their own) lift the expulsion shunning over medical choice issues, that is the ONLY thing that will resolve these issues.
And as I stated on another thread, Jehovah's Witnesses are beating, raping, and murdering one another at a probably unprecedented rate in their 120+ year history. Their credulity is down the shithole right now.
Fewer and fewer medical professionsals are honoring the consent forms of JW's becasue of the expulsion and shunning--this is not informed, freely given consent. This isuue is finally getting the attention it deserves, it isn't going to go away.
Let the Watchtower (or JW's on their own) lift the expulsion/shunning..THEN WE CAN TALK!!!
http://www.canoe.ca/nationalticker/canoe-wire.jehovahs-transfusion.html.
april 3, 2002 .
alta.
I'm glad the courts are finally dragging this Jehovah's Witness CULT out of the 16th century and holding it accountable for its teachings, and for the damage it ahs done over the last 50 or so years.
The issue boils down to INFORMED consent. If you state to your physician that "God is going to kill me if I take blood becasue some 12 angry men in Brooklyn told me so in a magazine" well, I'm sorry, it strains credulity.
If the surgeon being sued right now over a blood transfusion wants to , he can defend himself be saying that IN HIS BEST TRAINED JUDGEMENT, his patient's consent was NOT INFORMED, was not willful and freely givin, but was done under duress (he would have been expelled and shunned by his religion). But I imagine that the lawyers for the surgeon's insurance company will just buckle under and fork out the cash, unfortunately.
The medical field has been saying for a long time that this 'consent' issue of JW's needed to be dealt with socially and legally, but they couldn't get any public support.
Maybe now they will.
This same group of people screaming for their 'medical' choices to be respected are now beating, raping, and murdering one another at a rate unprecedented in their 120+ year history. It strains their credulity a LITTLE--YA THINK????
in a strong statement of faith on another thread, our regular poster and self-appointed chief wts apologist gave this description of the god of jehovah's witnesses:.
the controversy is between jehovah and satan.. that will satisfy satan's acusations that jehovah has put a protective hedge around us .
so the god he worships is on an equal footing with a created being?
At least, YOUKNOW, you've done some thinking and some reasoning, and this is refelcted in a really good post.
And you've kept your name-calling and holier-than-thou down to a minimum. For that I thank you. Some of us have been through enough crap (which yopu don't admit to, but that's YOUR loss) and don't need the patronizing and condescending attitude.
But your reasoning, as usual, leaves out the human element that must be dealt with. Okay, try this: YOU come to me and tell me, "Here's the creator of the earth, the one who made the solar system and human beings and animals yadyayada.
But you are telling me that this great and powerful creature, this God Jehovah, raised his two sons, Lucifer and Michael, and that these two sons don't get along, and start a big war in the heavens...and God can't handle this just in the spirit realm?
What's their s**t got to do with US? Why drag us puny humans into it in the first place? Why allow their crap to spill over onto the planet earth? We humans can't even SEE these creatures, and we are defenselss before them. Why does this GOD have no feelings for us. Why does he not put some protection around us humans, so the war between these two angelic creatures and their supporting armies doesn't hurt us innocent people?
You see why people become atheist? Namecalling and condecension and patronizing behavior aside, your God gave us the ability to reason and to ask these questions; we are asking these questions and we want answers. A God so powerful to make the solar system should be able to provide the answers to these questions.
The Sovereignty issue doesn't explain things enough for me. How many people have already died faithful for Jehovah over the years? A hundred? A thousand? When is enough enough? If 100 million people suffer terrible deaths so that a few thousand can die loyal, why is that not enough? When will this God be SATISFIED? For every one person that DIES FAITHFULLY, millions have suffered horribly....
WHY? What is the point in any more deaths?
I have a theory as to the reason for all this time, but I'd like to hear yours first, You KNOW. I really would.
waiting breatlessly class....
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Thread wars---been there, done that.
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i've been studying with the jw's for about a year now.
i know that by nature (or nurture!
) i have an addictive personality so i have tried to be real careful that i'm doing the right thing by getting involved with them.
YOUdon'tKNOW isn't going to ease up on anything untill threads like this get less than, at present, 124 replies and 1925 views.
Youknow is not the problem---it's all the trollfeeders he attracts. It seems some types can't get enough of him.
my father, an elder, is willing to speak with me about the society's view of disfellowshipping.
i actually think that today i put a chink in his armor about the whole thing.
(i'm very shocked, and just a bit hopeful.
Ephay...
When it comes to debating the issue, you must separate, before you even begin the two issues of disfellowshipping and shunning.
The Watchtower has said that expuslion is a death sentence, the limit that a religious body can do because of the laws of the land. Watchtower says that expulsion is analagous to a country's powers of capital punishment. Don't you just FEEEL the LOOOVE...
One cannot go sign up for the Indianpolis 500 on horseback. You cannot debate or reason or argue the expulsion/shunning issue unless you deal with them separately.
In the US, religions have the legal right to expel a member of their church, and that is that. I think that the disfellowshipping issue is like a dead horse---there are weaker links in the chain to more effectively attack. The shunning issue has no Scriptural backing, that is the weak link. The shunning breaks up families and contributes to the high dropout rate of minor JW's from the faith. It also contributes to sucide and murder. This is not even debateable
The key to debating with JW is not to TELL them things...but to ASK them things.
Ask them where, in the bible, rape and molestation and battering survivors are to be shunned, after Jesus' death? Even if it were Scriptural to expel such ones---<gag> <choke> where is it scriptural to SHUN them? Name one Scriptural example. And that leave them with this thought...
