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  Tratiors or what?

  by happy man in

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  2. friends

  i see some warn mee to wright on this site, as on going jw, but as the tema says,forjw and ex jw.. as i not so good in english i think it must bee difficult to proof that i was informd that this is a apostate site, i dint caii this site a apostate site, i think it is a site where you can discuss annonymus, abauot important things.. i think i am one of the few inn sweden who now about this ngo thing, and childabuse, when i ask our po he dont now anything.. i have told some, my parents, who have been in the truth sens 1950, comment from my mom,the angels will look you upp and take you out, nice, i dont think so, if this happend it is the demon.. some warn mee and say that if you wright here spy find you, i dont think it is possibel, at least i stitt on a modem, and have a new number evry time i am logging inn, but perhaps i am wrong, then you must tell mee if they can find us who is inn here.. this was from the man behind anemys line.

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  dungbeetle

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  Site statistics since Dateline

  by Simon in

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  2. announcements

  i know they are a very rough judge of things but the extra site traffic in the last week since dateline shows the level of interest.

  i've no doubt all the other jw related sites not least of all http://www.silentlambs.org itself are seeing a similar increase:.

  52,899 sessions (roughly visits).

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  dungbeetle

  How does this compare to before, Simon?

  And welcome, newbies!!!!

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  ORG. BOOK CANCELLED TWO WITNESS RULE!

  by IslandWoman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is a little long, but i think you will find it interesting!!!.

  the book "organized to accomplish our ministry" (1989) written by the watchtower society has this to say about matthew 18:15-17 starting on page 142:.

  "when giving counsel, jesus outlined some specific procedures for resolving problems of serious wrongdoing, such as fraud or slander, that may arise between fellow christians......... .

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  dungbeetle

  the two editions say the same thing with respect to pages 142-144.

  I was referring, Island Women, to the title of your post. What exactly is 'changed' or 'cancelled'? It's a nice catchy title, but is it accurate?

  Here is something more to add to the mix:

  "Your Word is a Lamp to my Foot" 1967:

  'For a matter to be established as true, there must be two or three witness....These cannot be persons who are simply repeating what they have heard from someone else; they must be witnesses of the things concerning which they testify. No action is taken if there is just one witness; it is not the the brothers discredit the testimony, but the Bible requires that, unless the wrongdoer himself confesses his sin, the facts must be substantiated by two ro three witnesses in these serious matters.'

  So, :

  1967: 'two witness' rule

  1983: 'two witness two act' rule

  1989 'two witness two act' rule

  1995 'two witness one act' rule for child abuse ONLY

  2002: 'two witness two act' rule.

  new light, old light, STROBE LIGHT...

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  ORG. BOOK CANCELLED TWO WITNESS RULE!

  by IslandWoman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is a little long, but i think you will find it interesting!!!.

  the book "organized to accomplish our ministry" (1989) written by the watchtower society has this to say about matthew 18:15-17 starting on page 142:.

  "when giving counsel, jesus outlined some specific procedures for resolving problems of serious wrongdoing, such as fraud or slander, that may arise between fellow christians......... .

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  dungbeetle

  You have it backwards I'm afraid.

  The org book , up at Kent's site, was published in 1983.

  in 1995, Watchtower produced the 11/1/95 Watchtower saying specifically with application th child abuse with no corraberating physical evidence:

  During the time that the one experiencing "memories" is healing, awkward situations may arise. For example, an individual may have vivid mental images of being molested by someone he or she sees every day. No rules can be laid down for handling this. "Each one will carry his own load." (Galatians 6:5) Sometimes one may feel that a relative or a member of one's immediate family is involved. Remember the dubious nature of some "repressed memories" when it comes to identifying the one suspected of being a perpetrator. In such a situation, as long as the matter has not been firmly established, keeping contact with the family—at least by occasional visits, by letter, or by telephone—would show that one is trying to follow a Scriptural course.—Compare Ephesians 6:1-3.

  What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter.

  Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

  If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way. And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person.

  Even if more than one person "remembers" abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence.

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  Bringing reproach on the organization..

  by ItsJustlittleoldme in

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  2. experiences

  hey, i got a question... the jw's won't even let the men have beards for 'fear' that the 'image' will scare some of the people while going door-to-door (or at least that was the reason i was given why beards are bad)... why is it that they are being hypocritical (i know, hard to believe they are hypocrits huh?

  ) and allowing even potential child molesters from going door-to-door?

  after all, if they don't want to stumble anyone with a beard, why would they allow someone to be stumbled with an accusation of child molestation hanging around them?

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  dungbeetle

  I can tell you from 28 years in and around the org:

  JW's are so screwed up that pedophiles don't seem abnormal to them anymore.

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  The Faithful? Slave Class Substitutes Calculations

  by TheOldHippie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, here are the faithful slave class calculations, incorporating their substitues and the substitutes' substitutes.

  a bit dull and heavy (hello, larsguy!

  .......), but based on population statistics and mathematics.. in 1935, there were 52,465 proessing to be of the remnant.

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  dungbeetle

  <That means, from 1950 there had been an annual loss of 3.8 %. If that death rate had continued, we should by now have a number of

  7,233 below zero,

  as 21,144 would have died since 1960>

  harharhar, bwahahaha, heeheee

  ytou people crack me up. Get your head together with nathan Natas, you two sound like you would get along great together.

  Hey, Old Hippe, jst2laws is looking for you,, can you email him please if you haven't already.

  and hugs to ya dear.

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  NEW BOOK! Awakening of a JW: Escape From the WTS

  by seemybook in

  1. social
  2. current

  awakening of a jehovah's witness: escape from the watchtower society.

  author: diane wilson.

  (foreword and appendix by jerry bergman, ph.d.).

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  dungbeetle

  I bought your book and have read it. I have not put up a review on the board as yet, and this is a good thing.

  Six posts, and as far as I know they are all advertisements. The same seems to be true on Kent's board as well.

  Valis I believe is right, that is called spamming.

  Perhaps some day DW will consent to have a relationship with us that doesn't involve our money.

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  A question from "Pet," a Lurker.........

  by Cassiline in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all i just recieved this e-mail and this lurker is asking the following questions, .

  hi cassi.

  i am not great at anything especially the comp.

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  dungbeetle

  Just a quick correction here:

  The 'whistle' was blown on the UN issue first by JW's in good standing. Four Bethelites began years ago, then came Zev and bibleexaminer.

  The cause was taken up by Hawkaw, never been JW, and at last by the ex-jw's, I'm thinking Kent and MadApostate, but there are many many more.

  This is a very important distinction be4cause this matters to JW's still 'in'.

  Someone corrrect me if I'm wrong.

  (preparing to duck)

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  Two Witness Rule Revisited

  by dungbeetle in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ...the dungbeetle way.. for the benefit of all the gazillion 'incoming wounded' we have here at jw.com, here is the watchtower molestation issue in a 'dungbeetle' nutshell.

  and just to be fair, i will only deal with that information generally available to jw's.

  the internal watchtower documents (boe and personal letters from watchtower) are extremely revealing, but they are not available generally to jw's, let alone the public.. 1)much before 1985, an adult jw having raped or molested a child, even a very young one, wasn't considered important enough to devote much time and space in watchtower's literature to the subject.. 2)in 1985, in response i understand to a series of scandals that rocked bethel and are documented elsewhere, watchtower comes out with this gem:.

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  Blood Transfusions and Pedophilia

  by Lee Elder in

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  2. friends

  ajwrb was approached early on about working together on these issues.

  we took a hard look and opted out for ethical and pragmatic reasons.

  though the issues share a common thread (child abuse), they have to be approached in different ways.

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  dungbeetle

  Unfirtunately, so much is wrong with this 'religion' that seems to be a need for a various appraoaches to deal with it.

  The issue of same gender relationships within the organization also touches on child abuse, since many individuals within the organization affected by Watchtower's anti-gay stance are under the age of majority.

  Under the best of circumstances young people today have a hard time coping with growing up, they do not need Watchtower calling them 'perverts' in their literature and ordering them to carry around this literature door to door and hearing about it constantly at the Kingdon Hall.

  Even in the midst of a child abuse scandal, Watchtower couldn't miss an opportunity for an anti-gay barb on their website.

  Having these different venues of change is good for all of us, becasue we have a choice what we can focus on as well.

  I want to take this opportunity to thank all the non-JW's for everything they do. I feel deeply indebted to them. there were non-jw's present at Ritzville and at Draffenville. Bless them.

  hugs to Silentlambs, AJWRB, A Common Bond, and all the other groups now too numerous to name.

  And a special thought to all the children gone from us, whose voices we can't hear right now. YOU WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.