just got back from the wt study and it overall was just so blindingly biased and leading.. i had to read it from the platform too, i hope they couldn't see the confounded look on my face as i read this craziness out!.
first we consider the faith of abel, enoch, noah, abraham, isaac and jacob, and moses.. all of these people are held up as sterling examples of blind faith, with the article pointedly saying that their imaginations sustained their faith in gods promises for them.
no mention anywhere at all that all of these characters saw and talked to angels, spoke to god himself, saw and performed miracles, or any of the other feats experienced by these characters.
The fact that their paradise is to be achieved on the back of the slaughter of billions of helpless men, women and children seems to bother them not a jot.
I use to wonder about things like that too Blues and as a child it scared the hell out of me. I think that most JW's just don't think things through enough.
nasa's probe "new horizons" was launched in 2006 and since then has been speeding across 3 billion miles of space to the most distant planet in our solar system.. the first pictures arrived today with higher resolution images due tomorrow.. i fu~~ing love science.. more details from the bbc here.... .
I wish we have technology that would allows us to investigate space beyond the solar system like Oort clouds that would tells us more about origin of our Sun and Earth.
Prologos and KaiKin give us time. We will do it. To an old guy like me it just seems like yesterday before we even had knowledge of planets outside our solar system. Things like Halley's comet were looked upon as superstitious lore. May you live long and prosper.
back in the early 70s, right before 1975 we had about 7 or 8 thousand professed anointed.
cant remember the exact number.
but at every convention we were told that the end is close ---because---the number of anointed is getting smaller and smaller.
The natural Jews make up the "root" of the kingdom tree, just 1/10th. So if the 144K make up the root of 1/10th, then the gentiles make up the 90% of the tree and thus the total number of the elect are not just 144,000 but 1,440,000! Per the Bible, of course, many chosen didn't show up and begged off and so there were lots of empty seats that had to be fulfilled by outsiders. Etc.
Lorenzo that sounds like the overlapping generation hogwash put out by the FDS class.
So GoG of MAGoG is the Nazis, and now there are 1.4 Million elect or chosen ones and only 8 or 9 assholes in Brooklyn who are the faithful and discreet slave that make up the GB. According to you. Do you have any proof of this? Let me guess that is only for the religious because it comes from religious prophecy. I'll easily believe in prophesy when you or anyone else can prophesy what the winning numbers are going to be in the lotteries around the world in advance.
Give me my next 649 Lotto Numbers and I'll split the profit with you when we win.
i was never told before i got baptised that i would loose my family if i got disfellowshipped.. no one told me i would get disfellowshipped if i had a blood transfusion.
no one told me that the gb was all powerful and tolerate no dissention.
that if i spoke to a d/f person i would get disfellowshipped.. no one told me in my marriage bed there were rules if broken d/f shipping resulted.. i was told my brothers would die or care for me.
Why is it then when I bring these absoloute truths forward I am told Jehovah speaks thru the GB as he did with Moses.
And lastly why was I so blind I did not see????
If you were a born in and are told to associate only with other Dubs and are kept busy as many elders are it explains a big part of it in my opinion.
I have read on here recently about the announcement of the overlapping generation nonsense in the Watchtower how many did not realize or question the import of such a huge doctrinal shift thing that it was. I realize some are trapped in some are there to satisfy their ego's and others are just dumb as sticks.
that's wat i heard the other day.
now you pay fines for your sins.. adultery is a 450 euro's ( for a firsttimer).
smoking is a 300 -500 euro's sin ( depents on what the blow was).
This is a good idea on many levels
You sound like a pope or a GB member.LOL
heres a something i hope you feel,.
i hope he hears when we kneel,.
i hope this life isn't the real deal,.
i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.
political correcness has become a drag.
(am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).
i was just a teenager and have a vivid memory of sitting in a chair doing a microphone for the sunday meeting.
everyone was commenting that it didn't mean the end was far off, and it didn't change the condition of the dead, or the 144,000, or the trinity so we should still remain faithful.
this is my first memory as a kid being just a teen that i ever had a single doubt.
I have wondered since learning about this new light how people like my parents and relatives reacted all I know is that they are still in lapping it up. All it took for me to realize the GB and the rest of religion was wrong was careful research into evolution.
I guess Finkel is right some people can stomach the lies some can't. I'll bet there are people in North Korea that staunchly believe what they are fed by the regime in power. I don't think it's got anything necessarily to do with intelligence either. We see it here in free countries with the intelligent people swallowing some of the nonsense we see politicians push.
i have heard a lot about disfellowship from forums, blogs & youtube clips.
and all of them are real experiences from ex-jw.
however i have never physically met an ex-jw before.
datto it depends on who you are. If your are newly associated with JWs I am sure they will explain it as a loving provision to get the wayward sheep back into the fold. They will read scriptures about not associating with disfelloshipped or unrepentant wrong doers "not even eating with such a person" to paraphrase.
I'll give an example ask them about a brother or sister that has a recurring addiction to cigarettes. They will explain that you are not supposed to associate or even talk to a sister or brother that has fallen of the wagon and gone back to cigarettes, family or not doesn't matter.
If you have been associated with witnesses for a longer period of time you should already know these things.
the new testament specialist daniel wallace notes that although there are about 300,000 individual variations of the text of the new testament, this number is very misleading.
most of the differences are completely inconsequential--spelling errors, inverted phrases and the like.
a side by side comparison between the two main text families (the majority text and the modern critical text) shows agreement a full 98% of the time.[18].
In the beginning god created the heavens and the .........
The word In might be historically accurate? As for the rest of it....... pure lies.
