Posts by found-my-way

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If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?

by unbaptized in

if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?

if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.

please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.

found-my-way

Hi unbaptized,

Your question is the one that many people ask.

The answer is, it is up to you to decide what you believe: one person will say, the evangicals that have the true religion, the JW's say they do, the mormons say they do, the orthodox's religions say they do, PICK ANY RELIGION, and they will say they worship the true god, and they are the true religion. (Hence why I, personally, choose NO RELIGION)

if your question was easily answered, the enitre population would all be in ONE religion right now, worshiping in unity to God. But who says we NEED a religion in the first place? What if atheists are correct? What if there is no god at all, and that humans made him up?

Read the Bible, many transalations, not just one. You will be surprised that you will find different variations, you will read scriptures that have been translated and have the opposite meaning. (example, in the NWT Nimbrod is stated as being an opposer of Jehovah, yet in other translation, he is described as being favoured by God.) Soooooooo, with that said, you can understand why some people wonder if the Bible is a book inspired by God...

I wish I knew, but the more I learn, the more I question...and the more I am leaning towards learning about our universe and origins by just learning about the facts, and not taking a black and white viewpoint...my mind is open to ALL POSSIBLITIES

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POLL: The OT God and the NT Jesus (for non-believers as well!)

by DeusMauzzim in

jw
friends

do you still believe that yhwh from the old testament is a god of love?.

what is your opinion about the jesus of the new testament?.

i'm not asking if you believe they exist(ed)... just a character analysis based on what you read in the bible.. regards,.

found-my-way

The God of the OT was a vengeful God, merciful only when the isrealites were worshipping him excactly as he dictated.

While I guess a God would have the right to dictate how he wants to be worshipped, seems kind of childish...I want a toy right now!! I cant have it?? Well then I am throwing myself on the ground, holding my breath till I turn blue, and then Im gonna kick and scream and break all your stuff until you give me what I want!!!

I know, I know, the paralell isnt accurate, but if you think about it, He punished the isrealites ALOT. and killed millions of pagans (including women and children) simply because they werent worshipping him. (granted many were bad, but how can children be bad?)

Jesus is the OPPOSITE of the OT God. well in my viewpoint of him anyway. Jesus to me was forgiving, prefered to be in the company of sinners, than with the self-rightous pharisees, and loved children. He LOVED people. He wanted to teach them, even tho he was hungry and tired, he wouls spend hours with them, and even feed them. Yes he got angry at the money changers in the temple, chasing them out and whipping them with ropes..lol, but it was because they were taking advantage of the people, whom he cared about.

that's my viewpoint anyway...

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Why don't YOU believe anymore?

by Crumpet in

someone on another site was asking "what if they are right?

" which made me think about why i know that they are not and i wondered what was your epiphany or road to damascus moment or moments that just made you realise - hey i've been led up the garden path here!.

here was my response but i really think a list of reasons on one thread for easy reference for newbies would be good.

found-my-way

When I was 15, 16, I remember feeling very insulted by the awakes, Questions from Youth....Answers that work..(and the book that was released back then, the blue one) My mother then told me to never question what is given to us from the society. My mother till this day, is a jdub parrot. Everything that comes from her mouth starts with the sentence, ''the society says..''.

When i first became a publisher, i really hated turning in my time, i would feel deep shame and guilt if i didnt make the cong average, (you know, like 10 hours). I think I felt tremendous guilt for everything and anything after that...when I moved to another country, where field service is so much relaxed and enjoyable (the sister would waer tshirts over skirt, since they were too poor to own dresses) it was like, wow, this is awesome, we didnt keep records, we just had the bible and would share scriptures with our neighbours...and they all loved talking about the bible...*sigh* nice memories....and i remember thinking, it just feels WRONG to put down 40 or 50 hours that I put in WILLINGLY, for JEHOVAH, not for man, not for some elders to say, heyyyy, wow, good FS report there! I just couldnt stand that thought that they would be commending me for it (since I would have to verbally send in my time over the phone since my records were still with my cong in my home country). That was back in 1990.

When I returned home, I would regularily put in my time, and would put in random hours, random book/mag placements, since it was all a SHAM in my mind anyways, this stupid business of reporting how many hours you put in for Jehovah. What took the cake for me was when pioneers would rant about how they didnt put in 45 more minutes to brinf their time to 60 hours even..LIKE COMMON!!! or how they would have competitions between themselves on how many can put in the most amount of hours in the first week..blah blah blah...it was like, ARE YOU DOING THIS FOR MAN???? Or how some pioneers would lament that they ONLY put in 55 hours, and not 60...LIKE JEHOVAH REALLY CARES THAT YOU DIDNT PUT IN 60!

I was incredulous..I also couldnt agree with armegeddon being the destruction of innocent people, that I cared about, ONLY becuase they didnt accept a bible stucy with a witness...all those children killed....and they kept saying, well look what happened in the flood...so many people died, including children...yup. Makes me wonder what kind of God doesnt give a rats ass about children, yet when Jesus comes to earth, he says, children like ones would be the ones to inherite gods kingdom, and he brought them close to him, and held them lovingly...does that sound like a loving God? yes, funny god wasnt so thrilled with children in the OT.

Then there the issue of the pedofiles, of which there was an uncle married into my family who abused his two step daughters for years since they were small infants....(and wow, the turmoil it coused my family, and it divided my family large!) and he remained an elder for quite some time even afterwards....and wasnt removed until he was brought to court...since the elders in his hall did not believe his daughters, but believed him. especially since there werent 2 witnesses....ugh.(He was the a greatest FAKER, and always made his daughters pioneer so as to keep up a great facade that he was the perfect elder family head)

I'll write more later....

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Demons to the left of us, demons to the right........

by Gill in

watchtower march 15th 2007: page 27 the watchtower obsession with satan and demons seems to have no end.

it is little wonder that jehovah's witnesses are so superstitious when they take in things such as the latest offering from the fds:.

'ever since the wicked angels lost their original position, they have been the demon companions of satan and have served his evil interests.

found-my-way

I'm afraid that the WTBTS is too obsessed with both demonism and sex!!!

Excellent point Gill

Makes one wonder WHY they are so obsessed...seems like they are doing a great job of preaching about Satan and his demons..maybe they(satan and the demons) like the coverage?

What's the saying? ''There's no such thing as bad publicity'' lol

I dont know, sex is for humans and animals, is it not? why would a spirit creature want sex? hmmm, maybe because we all created with the desire to aquire/attain what we dont have? why did satan want rulership? what made him feel that greed in the first place? did god create jealousy?

hmmmm...no wonder so many people have trouble believing in god, and the bible...no wonder so many Jdubs become agnostic and or atheist...

I remember being obsessed with demons too as a child...always scared, always had nightmares, and up until recently I had nightmares about armegeddon.

It's no different than the catholic church's using hellfire as a way to keep their followers inline...that's one of the reasons i left, the similarities between the JW religion and other religions just made me sick. and they have the audacity to say that those religions are all going to be destroyed when they, themselves, practice wrong doing, and LIE about their past,cover up the original teachings.

J Rutherford was a greedy drunken bastard, who lived in luxury while sending the poor, penniless pioneers to spread his theories, and never once helping them financially, even though he had the means to do so. What a power trip...disgusting. sorry for going off topic...

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"Knocking" Documentary on JWs?

by Gayle in

maybe this isn't a new topic.

http:www.knocking.org/on_the_big_screen.html.

the clips i saw only gives a very "positive" biased message for jws, not the through & through facts.. pbs will be showing this in may.

found-my-way

I found the link to a preview of Knocking:

http://www.itvs.org/search/preview.htm?showID=1040

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reproved but my elder dad and spiritual mum keep me at a far distants still

by pauledwards in

found-my-way

vitty,

all is not forgiven because that would make them look like they are A) bleeding hearts overflowing with forgiveness,

and B) they thrive on punishment, (remember the sounds of small children being beaten in the washrooms for not sitting still? as they cite examples of God's ''discipline'' of his chosen people (aka: being slaughtered or taken captive by other nations).

Think Jesus would stand for hearing those children's cries of pain? Hell NO.

Forgiveness?? They dont have a christian concept of forgiveness. they are judgemental, and are taught to judge others, no matter what they say from the platform to not judge, it's so deep rooted, it is hard not to compare brothers and sisters against one another.

Remember thinking, so-and-so hasn't been to a meeting/service in a while, maybe they are sprititually weak....??.(ya, kicking myself, ugh)

Its a mindset, and Im glad I am no longer part of it, makes me sick.

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It appears that the WTS seems hasn't Read Gal 6:1-3

by A-Team in

galatians 6:1-3 (amplified bible)....1brethren, if any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual [who are responsive to and controlled by the spirit] should set him right and restore and reinstate him, without any sense of superiority and with all gentleness, keeping an attentive eye on yourself, lest you should be tempted also.......2bear (endure, carry) one another's burdens and [a]troublesome moral faults, and in this way fulfill and observe perfectly the law of christ (the messiah) and complete [b]what is lacking [in your obedience to it]..........3for if any person thinks himself to be somebody [too important to condescend to shoulder another's load] when he is nobody [of superiority except in his own estimation], he deceives and deludes and cheats himself.

to me, this scripture basically tells me that disfellowshiping isn't the answer at all.

found-my-way

If you think about it, even Satan wasnt shunned in the sense that God and Jesus stopped talking to him.

When Satan tried to tempt Jesus, they had conversations, and in the case of Job, God asks Satan, ''have you taken notice of my favourite human, Job, how blameless and upright he is?''

Disfellowshipping is a backasswards process. Even if you are repentent, you can still be DF'd. they dont give you a chance to make things right before that, instead, they kick you out, then expect you to crawl back to them having no priviledges, being made to be publically humiliated at the KH infront of others.

I have never been DF'd but my heart went out to one young brother who was, and who would sit at the back, and then leave right after. It was just so cruel. And when he finally got reinstated, many had a hard time TALKING TO HIM!!! I didnt, I always talked to him to make sure he knew that he was accepted back by some of the cong.

At least when God finally gave Satan the boot, he didnt bring him back into heaven to be an observer only,and so his brothers could stare at satan, and shun him. Satan is the most evil of evils, who had perfection. while humans are IMPERFECT from the getgo. Yet satan in a way gets treated with more respect (perspectively) then us lowly sinful humans treat one another on earth.

If they are going to kick someone out for bad behavior, like say, PEDOPHILIA, MURDER, THEFT, ect. then they should be permanently banned from entering a KH.

the ones that mess up and make MISTAKES should be HELPED, not shunned. Since when does shunning make anyone feel that they should be repentant?? It only serves to make them feel BAD and guilty. It serves no other purpose than to punish them. It's not a loving act at all.

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District Convention, Thoughts?

by Greenlees_or_Chitty in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axyz3os78vm.

found-my-way

My thoughts when watching that clip were A) off-key singing by especially one loud singer (painful to the ears),

and B) what is the point of this clip again

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Trees of Eden

by thebiggestlie in

in the garden of eden was there a difference between the tree of the knowledge of good and bad and the tree of life?

found-my-way

My question has always been: Why put the tree of "Good and Evil" in the garden in the first place?? AND didn't Adam and Eve already HAVE everlasting life within themself? They didn't need a tree of life until God took everlasting life away from them.

Excellent point, TopHat. If What kind of God creates a tree that contains EVIL? (Did Satan put the evil into the tree? lol) And yes, according to the Bible, He created Adam and Eve perfect with the ability to live forever...perhaps the tree of life was the tree that would make them immortal? (just a thought) If God is all powerful, He should of wiped out Satan from the get go, (and no, the argument that his angelic sons were looking on doesn't hold water, for God could of erased the angel's memory of Satan, thereby removing Satan from the scene to be able to tempt his new children on earth.) Nothing is impossible with Him, right? So why did he let Satan tempt them in the first place? If mankind remained in their pure state without anything evil or wicked to influence them, and no knowledge of anything wicked, there would be no pain and suffering, no pollution, just a simplistic way of life...yet I wonder if we were given the ability to use 100% of our brains, which would take a long long time to develop correct? what abilities we could achieve? the ability to teleport, to be telepathic, to move things with our minds only, perhaps we would achieve immortality at that point when we reached 100% use of our brain, and then we would no longer be dependent on food, and would therefore not be polluting the earth with our waste, from the biological process of digestion. We would be able to think up ways to travel without polluting our eathly home, and eventually figure out how to travel through space, and perhaps even time.

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Demons to the left of us, demons to the right........

by Gill in

watchtower march 15th 2007: page 27 the watchtower obsession with satan and demons seems to have no end.

it is little wonder that jehovah's witnesses are so superstitious when they take in things such as the latest offering from the fds:.

'ever since the wicked angels lost their original position, they have been the demon companions of satan and have served his evil interests.

found-my-way

Of course they spend countless hours writing about sex....because the writers are so sexually repressed, this is their ONLY outlet.

They are obsessed with sex. I've heard countless stories where when a baptized person is before a JC, they are extensively question about the details of their sexual escapades.

When I was a teenager, I too was brought before a JC, for fornication of course, (none of the JW kids I grew up with were virgins, I was just the one to actually get caught!)

They asked me extremely personal questions, like: where, what positions, (and this is relevant???) what type of sex acts, how many times, did you have clothing on(what??) was there mutual masturbation, (sheeeeshhhhh!), etc, etc.

it was humiliating and awful, I felt MORE dirty being in that KH with those 2 elders than I did with my long time boyfriend who I had great sex with! (ok, i didnt feel dirty with my BF, but I knew that we were being really bad) I did my share of crying and acting repentant, so that I was privately reproved. (score one for me) I laughed inside when they read me that scripture that states that whatever is loosed in heaven is loosed on earth...meaning that whatever decision the elders make, is the same decision that Jehovah would make in heaven, WHAT A JOKE!

I've heard worse horror stories about what can be asked in a JC. I especially feel bad for the teenage boys and single men who willingly come forward and tell their elders that they masturbate. HOW HUMLIATING! especially when they have done NOTHING WRONG. ( there is NO SCRIPTURAL law or rule about self gratification that states that God disapproves of it!!) The only scripture the WT uses is the one about an Isrealite refusing to perform brother in law marriage to his dead brother's wife, spilling his seed on the ground instead of impregnanting her - clearly not about masturbation, but about PULLING OUT)

Satan gets the rap for everything, which is the perfect cop-out for those men who abuse their power, and or who get their jollies from asking irrevelant personal sexual questions of sisters in a JC.

That's my rant for today....