Posts by found-my-way

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Trolling Apologist vs. Informed Apostate - WHO IS MORE LIKELY TO CHANGE?

by BizzyBee in

jw
friends

in the battle between apologists and apostates, who do you think more often comes around to the other point of view and why?.

imho, apologists (or trolls) are just potential apostates who need a little more time in the oven.

(in other words, they are not fully baked, only "half-baked.

found-my-way

Let me rephrase my question, Rosalee

Were you once an apostate, and then went back to the organization?

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Trolling Apologist vs. Informed Apostate - WHO IS MORE LIKELY TO CHANGE?

by BizzyBee in

jw
friends

in the battle between apologists and apostates, who do you think more often comes around to the other point of view and why?.

imho, apologists (or trolls) are just potential apostates who need a little more time in the oven.

(in other words, they are not fully baked, only "half-baked.

found-my-way

Rosalee,

From what I read, I am surmising that you were once an apostate and then changed your mind, and went back to the organization because you had an ephiphany that it was the truth?

I could be way off base, feel free to correct me

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Does A School Yard Bully Attitude Take Over This Discussion Board?

by The wanderer in

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friends

does a school yard bully attitude take over this discussion board?growing up, i can recall such times when a rival would want to pick a fight .

with me and when we met, he would bring along two of his friends and i .

sometimes, i would knock their block off and sometimes, it was the other.

found-my-way

they are just "attacking" what I'm saying. I think that "bully's" can be found on both sides, believers and non believers, the difference with some bible believers is that they believe that the non believer will be punished for their belief.

I think that is the part that galls the athesits the most, it's not that the believers believe in creation, or in God, great! Believe in a god if it makes you feel better! Atheists will say why they dont believe in a god...but they arent damning those who do...

it is some of the believers on here that attack those who don't believe and condemn them.

(most believers are not this judgemental, most are wonderfully tolerant and accepting of others beliefs or non beliefs)

I have a problem with the few bully's who point their self-righteous finger and tell someone that they deserve to to be tormented forever in fiery hell unless they accept Christ/God as their personal savior and become born again.

but that is just my opinion! and it doesnt count for much

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Satan is greater than god. Live with it.

by LtCmd.Lore in

jw
friends

ok, i know what you're thinking: "duh, what took you so long!

" "is this guy nuts?".

but i can prove it.. nothing is better than god, right?.

found-my-way

Satan...

was

the most

interesting

character

in the

Bible

JMHO!

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my "father" decided to send me an email!

by theinfamousone in

before we even begin, if you have not read my story, you may not understand why this is such a big deal to me... this is a part of my story and it can be found at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/101870/1.ashx.

and here we go... my "father", an abusive bastard of a jw, recently sent me an email that put me in a tizzy!

it was late friday night, i had just gotten home from a shift at a local bar where i bartend on occasion!

found-my-way

...and you'd rather be an orphan? No one said it excused beatings, but it does count for something and beats an orphanage, or going to bed hungry, or without clothes or a roof over your head. At what point does a person keep the pain inside them instead of letting go? Life sucks for most people on this planet - try starving to death in a third world country, or being part of the sex trade at 5 years old, or toting an AK and shooting people in some shit hole. Now I'm not making excuses for a bad childhood, but think about how others have lived or live before judging people - things could be better, but they could be a hell of a lot worse.

Sinis, I wasn't judging anyone. Of course there are some bad lives out there, there is always someone who has it worse then we do!

I was stating that I, personally, think that beatings are worse than going hungry, than not having many clothes, than not having a place to live. Do you know why I can say that? Because as a child I lived that. I will take poverty over beatings ANYDAY.

I dont know where you thought I was judging anyone, perhaps the father for beating his son brutally? Who wouldn't?

Does his father deserve forgiveness, sure he does, if he owns up to his mistakes. If he simply ignores all of the abuse and the affect it had on his son, that just says that he isn't ''worthy'' of forgiveness.

And even if he does own up to his mistakes, it is up to theinfamousone to forgive him, not us. That is not for us to decide. Yes making peace is the ideal solution, and I even stated that if the infamousone could choose to, he could let go of the anger and hurt...but he has to be the one to decide to do that....

Sinis, I stated in my account that I did forgive my father. That it felt wonderful to do so. Did you not read that?

Infamousone, I hope that you are able to make peace with your father...and I hope that one day, you can even forgive him, even if he doesnt deserve it, (it never condones what your father did) to let go of the anger one day...as it only hurts you...anger is a useful tool, but only when you don't let it overwhelm you...

much peace and love to you,

~found

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my "father" decided to send me an email!

by theinfamousone in

before we even begin, if you have not read my story, you may not understand why this is such a big deal to me... this is a part of my story and it can be found at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/101870/1.ashx.

and here we go... my "father", an abusive bastard of a jw, recently sent me an email that put me in a tizzy!

it was late friday night, i had just gotten home from a shift at a local bar where i bartend on occasion!

found-my-way

((((((infamousone))))))

I too, grew up in with a violent father, only I was the daughter..I think it affects sons more deeply when their fathers beat them...I feel your pain, and your anger!!

Your anger is VALID, your feelings are VALID!!!

sinis, you said,

Good or bad, I'm sure your father provided for you while growing up.

While I'm sure you meant well by what you said, unless you have grown up with an abusive father, the above sentence doesnt mean s%&t. Being a provider does NOT cancel out all the hurt and pain that his father heaped apon him. To read that sentence just made me angry. Being a provider does not excuse beatings, nor does it make the beatings less severe, it means NOTHING. I would rather have a father that was dirt poor and than have a father that beat me.

The ONLY THING that brought me closure was to have a frank and honest discussion face to face with my father, where I didnt point fingers, I just simply told him how he made me feel when I was a child. I told him that I do not hate the person he is now, BUT, I hated the person he was, and that I wished he was dead. I wished that my mother had called the cops, and I wished that he went to prison so that he could not hurt us any longer. I told him that he was a horrible father, but that there were some good times, but they did not soothe when he went on his angry rampages. I told him that his beatings left me with nightmares into ym adult life, and that I went to therapy for it. I told him everything that was in my heart.

He cried, and said sorry, and was genuinely sorry. I hugged him, and I forgave him, and my heart no longer carried any anger or hatred for him...I told him that I forgave him and that I loved him, and I felt so much relief to be able to forgive him....

I hope that you can have a conversation with your father, or at least write it all out on paper and send it to him....he needs to know how his beatings affected you. It is only fair and it is only right. even if he doesnt say sorry, at least you said your peace, and you can let the anger go on your own terms, and take back your power.

~f

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Isn't God Awesome?

by Perry in

http://wonderofitall.com/

found-my-way

Hey LtCmdr.Lore,

I would ignore this Perry individual, and yes, he would deem you an adulterer even though you are a virgin. Yes he would call you a theif even if you have never stolen.

You and I, and everyone who knows you here, knows for a fact that your intelligence at the youthful age of 18 far outweighs Perry's at any age.

Perry thinks he can scare us with his hell fire and his tirades against all of us sinners...and as he thinks of himself as perfect, we shall let him live in his close-minded, delusional little world.

People like Narrow-minded Perry do not have the ability to learn new things, their minds are like rusted steel traps. Closing everything out, and keeping the rotteness within.

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Trolling Apologist vs. Informed Apostate - WHO IS MORE LIKELY TO CHANGE?

by BizzyBee in

jw
friends

in the battle between apologists and apostates, who do you think more often comes around to the other point of view and why?.

imho, apologists (or trolls) are just potential apostates who need a little more time in the oven.

(in other words, they are not fully baked, only "half-baked.

found-my-way

There is one catagory you've missed.
The lurkers who know the truth and are here for curiosity sake.
When they see the response of an active JW shoot down the false teachings seen here, they are reassured that they have the truth and leave this site.

And where have you seen this? Can you site an example? What false teachings? How can you presume to speak for people that you do not know? DO you know these people who have left this site personally?

The odd one will end up posting, usually for a short time, never to be seen here again.

Again, you are making presumptions, and from a new person to this site, one wonders what kind of special insider knowledge that you would have about those posting here....those who have been around for years would see a trend in posting styles...the only person you can refer to is yourself, since that is the only person that you can accurately predict what they will do.

The chances of an apostate turning around are 50/50. The thing is, they know the truth and still deny it.

Again, where are you getting your stats from?? The real stats are , once those learn the truth behind the organization, they do not stay mentally or spiritually. They may stay to help others out, like the elders and ones in bethel here...or they may stay to not be shunned by family and friends. They learn the truth, and dont deny it...that's the difference Rosalee. What you think is true and what you think is false is what WE ALL THOUGHT TOO. Don't you see that there's a reason the Governing Body doesnt want you here??

Like I said, if they had NOTHING TO HIDE, they would have nothing to fear from you coming here...but they do, and so they try to stop you.

Any serious JW here won't stay long. If they do, then, yes there is a good chance they will be pulled in.

You're right, any really brainwashed JW won't stay here, the fact that you do stick around shows that you have some thinking and reasoning ability left! Good for you!

Getting ''pulled in'' will only do one thing: open your eyes and your mind.

Those who do have their eyes opended are always relieved.

Never once do they lament that they left the troof. This is the story I have read over and over and over again on here.

The only ones who think the WT has the truth are the ones still brainwashed by the GB.

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