witness's refusal of transfusion costs his life http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/montreal/story.html?id=e2a8aa3e-af52-4381-9d4c-c3fb7d0fe922&k=15147.
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sunday, january 14, 2007. a young jehovah's witness's decision to refuse a blood transfusion - which eventually led to his death - has split his family along religious lines.. jean-claude lavoie, 26, died in late december after refusing a transfusion while being treated for an intestinal tumour, the tqs television network reported friday.. lavoie's brother, who is a former jehovah's witness, has since launched an internet petition calling on the federal government to make it illegal for a person to refuse treatment on religious grounds.. "the jehovah's witnesses refuse blood transfusions for religious reasons," jonathan lavoie writes on the petition's website.. "this creates enormous stress for the family.".
Young American men and women volunteer to do the will of their commander and chief, George W. Bush, even to death. Witnesses believe their doctrine and die for it, young Americans believe theirs and die for it also....does it matter really if a young man or woman dies for their religion or for Bush?
There are many lost causes.
Ed
help needed.
i believe that in one of the oldest watchtower issues someone asked ct russell whether praying to jesus was allowed and russell published his response to the effect that it was ok and russell said he sometimes prayed to jesus.
i'd just love it if someone could dig up the actual article for me as i want to show it to someone who doesn't believe me.
What Russell taught is no longer of interest to most JWs.
any thoughts?
time goes on friends, our children are growing and the world moves on.
clock the hours you spend fighting a non-entity and realize it is time lost.
A phase? How long do you think this "phase" should last? 6 months.....6 years? When does "moving on" and saving what's left of our families begin? Ed
any thoughts?
time goes on friends, our children are growing and the world moves on.
clock the hours you spend fighting a non-entity and realize it is time lost.
Any thoughts?
Time goes on friends, our children are growing and the world moves on.
Clock the hours you spend fighting a non-entity and realize it is time lost.
Edward
Arthur,
If I have irritated you, I sincerely apologize. I simply find myself unable to understand how people who have benefited from Ray's hard work both when he was in the Organization and now out of it can be so hardhearted as to call him "in denial" simply because he does not agree with them. To say he had a "difference of opinion" would have been kinder and in consideration of his lifelong work to help others. Is kindness alive here?
If that is the stupid rantings of an old man, it is not my first believe me!
My last comment on this thread.
i was reading a little coc last night where ray f. disusses the witch hunt at bethel that resulted in all the oustings.
as i read the doctrines that he questioned, (not judging him right or wrong), i noticed that he was questioning some of the fundamental beliefs of the wt.
ie: gov.
" The owl claims to never have been a JW before. If that is true, it cannot possibly be an xJW.
I cannot think of any ex-JW who would harbor such unrestrained malice towards Raymond Franz and his books. I cannot imagine why any ex-JW would."
This thread was started by "wasanelder once" I believe that speaks for itself.
i was reading a little coc last night where ray f. disusses the witch hunt at bethel that resulted in all the oustings.
as i read the doctrines that he questioned, (not judging him right or wrong), i noticed that he was questioning some of the fundamental beliefs of the wt.
ie: gov.
It is very sad to see that some xJWs have sunk to feeding on their own. What has Ray Franz done to deserve this?
I'm glad he does not come here.
Mr. AlanF,
"If you think Greenlees was not a pedophile,"
I see you are hard of hearing. Two posts I have made here and on both I have objected to you saying that Ray is in denial. Yet you insist on charging forth with a mythical argument. I don't give a hang about what you say concerning Greenlees, I leave any defense of Greenlees to those who were his friends. Turn up the hearing aid, my objection has nothing to do with Greenlees!
"Appropriately informed Bethel officials," spoke to you, an xJW? If you believe them, fine. It is your self-aggrandizing words I object to when saying of Ray that he was "in denial," that was unnecessary but it served to discount his opinion and validate yours.
Let me repeat because it seems you are hard of hearing, my only objection to your post were the words that Ray was in denial, an unnecessary portrayal that is most self-serving not to mention unkind.
I hope you are able to finally understand the point of my objection, but from your last few posts I have deep reservations whether your perceptive abilities will actually hear the chord I'm playing. Perhaps I should try percussion, the vibrations may make a greater impression on you since your hearing is obviously impaired.
Not likely, though.
Dear Mr. Alan F,
"To say that someone is uninformed about some topic is not stomping on them. Ray Franz has produced probably the most effective printed antidotes to Watchtower nonsense on the planet. But Ray is not God, and on the topic of Greenlees' molesting a young boy, he is simply uninformed, which he admits."
Excuse me, but you did not say Ray Franz was "uninformed", please get your adjectives and/or accusations correct. What you said was that Ray Franz was "in denial" an accusation that you conveniently did not address in your retort. Instead you danced around everything but the very thing I objected to. I wonder why? Indefensible, I suppose.
How nice it would have been if you had simply said, "To say Ray was "in denial" was not entirely accurate and I retract it," but no, that did not suit your agenda which apparently is to disgrace Greenlees at all costs even to say that Ray Franz is in denial which is really another way of saying the man is fooling himself and doesn't know what he's talking about.
Are there any other things you feel Ray Franz is in denial about? Don't hold back, enlighten us.
Angry
This is my first post and the comment below generated it.
"I asked Alan in that thread if he had spoken to Ray Franz about it, (in COC Ray seemed to mention untrue rumours about something like this) Alan said that Ray was in denial over it.........I know according to COC, Greenlees was sympathetic to Ray, but considering everything Ray Franz has been through why would he be in denial over this............"
I think it's rather arrogant for someone to say Ray Franz is in denial over something that he most likely would know more about than anyone outside of Bethel. How about Ray Franz has a difference of opinion? To say he is in denial is to remove any respect for his opinion, which being contrary to the posters claim must be dismissed and discounted as "in denial" in order to prove their point. Since when has stomping on the head of someone like Ray Franz to prove a point become acceptable?
Angry
