I am aware that she very likely would make it her business and the business of the local elders. That has been a concern to me because I know that there are witnesses that work in all the area hospitals, and that there are two working in registration in two of the hospitals. The only reason I would not want this to come out is because I do not want my elderly mother and my sister to feel they cannot talk to me any more. Once my mother passes away, I will not be as careful as I am now. In fact, I will not be careful at all. I will do whatever I want, including decorating for holidays and maybe attending church with my husband. But I do know that if she was a witness, this may come back to bite me in the butt. But I still have to change this information. I would accept a blood transfusion now, and I don't want my witness relatives able to discuss my medical care and finding out about something like that. Not that I have had one, but if the need should arise, I will certainly do so.
mimimimi
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Anyone's doctor force their hand about being listed as a JW?
by Mysterious ini remember when i was in high school i went to the doctor about something completely unrelated to surgery or blood and as a matter of updating my medical records he made a point of listing me as a jw on it.
he never asked me if he could / should and i was in no position to object in front of my mother without explaining myself.
not to mention i would look wishy washy about my faith in front of the doctor.
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what was the strangest/worst counsel you recieved from elders ?
by flipper inhaving been in the organization for 30 years, after i got out i reflected on this.
as a teenager i was told to not let my hair grow over my ears because i might stumble other young ones in the congregation.
also, in order to carry the microphones i was told i couldn't wear white socks, had to wear black or dark blue socks.
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mimimimi
I was counseled back in the early 70's about the length of my skirt. It came to about half an inch above my knees. The elder told me it was too short and that he expected me of all people to set an example for the other young ones in the organization. So I let out the tiny hem that was in the skirt as far as it would go. Then I got really mad and took the hem back up even higher than it had been before.
That same elder found out I had gone out on a date with a "worldly" man, so he came to talk to me about it. I told him there just weren't that many guys around in the "truth" and that the ones who were around were taken and he said "it sounds like sour grapes to me". Just remembering the angry way he spoke to me about both these things makes me angry to this day.
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Anyone's doctor force their hand about being listed as a JW?
by Mysterious ini remember when i was in high school i went to the doctor about something completely unrelated to surgery or blood and as a matter of updating my medical records he made a point of listing me as a jw on it.
he never asked me if he could / should and i was in no position to object in front of my mother without explaining myself.
not to mention i would look wishy washy about my faith in front of the doctor.
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mimimimi
I've begun to change my information about my religion at hospitals I go to for tests and doctor's offices. Also I have to change the contact information I have on file. I have listed my husband first in the past, then my mother who is a staunch diehard witness, and then my witness sister. Now I am telling them to change the contact person to my husband first (he never was a witness), then to my sons, who are now grown up. I recently told the registration person at a local hospital to change my religion to Christian instead of Jehovah's witness. So she brought up the blood issue and said didn't I want to keep it on there as Jehovah's witness so I would not be given blood. So I told her that I no longer believe that way and would now accept a blood transfusion if necessary. She said, "Oh." and looked really funny. I wondered if she was a witness and I just didn't know her because I have been away so long. Oh, well, too bad. It's not her business anyway.
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Big changes coming to the WTS. very soon, are you ready ?
by Brain Dead inwell it looks like i'm going to have to make some big changes in new york on saturday, there's going to be some butt kicking, i better wear my army boots.
birthdays are coming back, christmas is coming back, every known holiday known to man is coming back, just for starts.
then i'm going to bring back mini skirts and all enticing and provocative clothing for woman,........ yes lots of cleavage.
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mimimimi
"Or polishing the brass on the Titanic as it goes down."
Loved this line, Blondie. I remember in a talk the "brother" saying would you paint the smokestack on a sinking ship. They sure come up with some ignorant analogies.
My mother has really been beating the Armageddon drum. She is 75 and told me today she thinks she will never die. She thinks Armageddon is just around the corner. She keeps asking me, "Is there anything I can do to help you?" In July it will be a year since I last went to the Kingdom Hall and she can't hardly stand it. I told her this morning that I did not need any help and to stop asking me that.
I would love to see some big changes at the Watchtower Society very soon. I would love to see them exposed for all their falsehoods and deceptions and all the witnesses released from their control. But even more, I would love to live my life as I want to without having to constantly look over my shoulder to see who is watching what I am doing. If it weren't for my mother, I would merrily go my way, but I don't want to be put in a position where she would feel she could not associate with me any more.
But, in the meantime, bring the big changes on. I wish.
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What is the JW position on attending weddings in other churches?
by Kudra ini ask because i am planning my lovely wedding with my sweetie... .
and the chapel that we are doing this in has a cross on the altar.
will the dubs see it and hightail it out of there?
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mimimimi
This is definitely a conscience matter. I dealt with this many times over the years that I was an active J-Dub. My husband was a non-believer and I attended many weddings of family, friends, and coworkers of his in churches. I did not tell others in the congregation about it because I had learned a long time ago to keep my business to myself, there were those who would always judge and make an issue of things.
A pioneer sister cleans house for me once a week. She knows I don't go to the Hall any more, but she doesn't know I no longer believe in it. We just don't talk about it. Her husband is an elder. About a year or so ago, they attended a wedding of a family member in a church. She said she told her husband they should go because they did not do the holidays with them and she was afraid if they didn't go, the family would think they just didn't care about them.
My youngest son got married in January at a Presbyterian church here in town. My mother, brother and sister-in-law, and two nephews and their wives, all witnesses, chose not to go the wedding because it was in a church, but did come to the reception. My sister and two of her sons who are witnesses and her daughter-in-law who is a witness did come to the wedding even though it was in a church. Our mother tried to put a guilt trip on her over it and convince her not to go, but my sister said to me that she read the Watchtower article they were going by and it was clearly a matter of conscience and that her conscience would allow her to attend. There are a lot of hard feelings in my immediate family toward the ones who would not attend the church wedding. The pioneer sister who cleans for me said to me that there are many witnesses who would never step foot in a church for anything.
That being said, the problem you are going to have is that you have been a witness and have faded. Were you baptized? Particularly if you were baptized, there may be some who would not attend. But you need to be upfront with everyone about where the wedding is being held. Anway, congratulations. I wish you the very best.
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Has Matt 24:14 been fulfilled?
by Gratitude inhas anyone else heard (or have i been playing ostrich) that the door to door work is no longer necessary????
the follow up to that was it's not true.
but, it was part of a talk at a 1 day assembly.
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mimimimi
Yes, you are right, Satanus. And not just the Catholic church, but missionaries of many different Protestant dominations for many years as well. And the message they have carried is more in line with what Jesus commanded than what the JW's preach.
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An "Apostate" partakes at the JWs Memorial
by dedpoet inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccote1skw8a.
this is a video sent to me by brenda lee, the author of "out of the cocoon",.
of her partaking of the emblems at the jw memorial last month.
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mimimimi
I thought it was tasteless and disrespectful, too. Disrespectful to individual witnesses to whom this was an important and sacred occasion. It was a very childish way to handle it, and certainly would not help to open anyone's eyes to the truth about the Watchtower organization. If anything, it would only serve to support them not being willing to look at anything other than what they believe, which I think is sad.
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Has Matt 24:14 been fulfilled?
by Gratitude inhas anyone else heard (or have i been playing ostrich) that the door to door work is no longer necessary????
the follow up to that was it's not true.
but, it was part of a talk at a 1 day assembly.
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mimimimi
"Has anyone else heard (or have I been playing ostrich) that the door to door work is no longer necessary???? The follow up to that was it's not true. But, it was part of a talk at a 1 day assembly. In my days, mid 70-mid 90, the talks given at assemblies were gone over with a fine toothed comb and their were those given the charge of following the talk. Have things changed that much? How can witnessing publically ever be fulfilled??? I do it everyday in my actions in open and more spiritual actions than I ever demonstrated as a JW."
If you look at that link to the 9/1/95 Watchtower and read the entire excerpt, you will find that they are not saying the work is no longer necessary. In that same paragraph 17, it ends with "Matthew 24:14 continues to be fulfilled in a large way." (Underlining is mine.) The next two paragraphs go on to talk about the importance of the preaching work and paragraph 19 ends with "As we enter the 1996 service year, let us be determined not to slow down. Rather, we will more then ever heed Paul's words to Timothy: 'Preach the word, be at it urgently.' )2 Timothy 4:2) As we do so, we pray with all our hearts that Jehovah will continue to bless our efforts." So, clearly they do not feel the preaching work is over. They should probably have said the prophecy was being fulfilled, not that it has been fulfilled, as that more clearly states what the rest of the article is saying.
Not to defend or support what they are doing. I agree they have changed the message of salvation and the way it was to be done and all of Arthur's comments are right on. It's too bad the R&F cannot see how the organization has made the preaching work another burden to be tied up and placed on their backs.
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DESCRIBE HOW YOU WILL DIE
by Terry inhow do you see your own demise?
a long, slow, painful illness?
a quick crash?
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mimimimi
My dad always believed he would die of cancer,and sure enough, he did, despite having heart trouble and having had a couple of heart attacks.
I don't think about my death and have not speculated on how I will go. Who knows?
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Ok here is my problem.........
by fifi40 ini just read some of the thread about keeping our kids away from jws and their teachings.......this is my situation and any helpful advice would be appreciated.......... i have a 14 year old son.
his father and i have not been together since 1999, when i was disfellowshipped.
we now share custody.
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mimimimi
"I have a similar problem. My son does not go to meetings anymore (he is 12), but his father and his grandmother pressure him to baptize. I am trying to show him the light, but he is so conditioned to be scared of it, that I am afraid to say too much and push him away. Grrr. (My mom wants us to come over so she can give him the new magazines this weekend and thinks he should be going to the meetings.) " Vanilla Mocha, Never fear. If your son is not going to meetings, he will not be allowed by the elders to be baptized. Just keep him away from those meetings. If your mother gives him the magazines, does he actually read them? I suspect there are a lot of 12 year olds who are not going to sit down and read the W&A. mimi