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  I will be turning in my resignation today.

  by AK - Jeff in

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  from the dubs.

  after being cornered and tired of the games, i suggested kevin elder meet me and i would give him my letter of da.

  he doesn't know it has been posted on this forum and on jwfacts site for a week or better, and that i sent many copies of it out to former friends last friday.

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  congrats jeff, I wonder how long till I'm in your shoes...
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  How significant was the 1995 bombshell - generation?

  by jambon1 in

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  i was wondering what effect the article on the generation change had on most people here?.

  for years, the trump card on the ministry when replying to the "it will never come in my day" objection to armageddon, was the doctrine of the generation.

  many jw`s probobly held back from making important financial comitments.

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  I was 12 years old and newly baptized, so I didn't think about it at all.

  people around me where going nuts though

  Prob a good 6 years later it crossed my mind that it was a copout. Now I know it is...
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  I had lunch with some workmates and we all clinked glasses...

  by StillGroggy in

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  ...am i going to hell now??

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  Nope, not supposed to, and they arrogantly say it at weddings too...

  "This being a CHRISTIAN gathering, there will be no clinking of glasses"

  stupid as it sounds, i looked around and checked to see if anyone was looking, and then clinked glasses, sealing my place in hades.
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  I had lunch with some workmates and we all clinked glasses...

  by StillGroggy in

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  ...am i going to hell now??

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  ...Am I going to hell now???
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  Did I miss my opportunity?

  by StillGroggy in

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  im a long time witness but the last district convention with all of it's "don't think for yourself" propoganda led me to this board.

  lately i've been trying to formulate a plan, to try and reason with her and get us both out (although her whole family is in, and probably will be till death)

  my wife has at times been dissilussioned with the org, but, ironically, i'm usually the one to comfort her and tell her to wait on jehovah.

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  Drew Sagan and JWDaughter, You both are awesome! Thanks for the personalized advice. I wanted to get some other bible translations for comparison as well as some well-respected commentaries that the society quotes from (IE, strongs) Any good suggestions? I think the internet will come into question due to the Dub paranoia, but a book the society quotes will go under the radar. Also I'm just going to present the info on "the generation" to her and ask her how she feels about it, tell her how I felt about it, and let that stew. Also, FREE, I've read portions of both books, the ones i found on wikipedia, but I can't buy it on amazon because I'll blow my cover. I've been using local library searches to find one I can check out. I believe they exist. Then again in the past I had a JW "friend" who worked at a video store, spied on my rentals, and told the elders he was stumbled by something I rented. The elders told me about it, but of course wouldn't tell me WHAT it was he didn't like, so I couldn't address it (It could've been a freaking disney movie for all I know, or something a non-witness family member rented on my account.) So with my luck, there's a witness-librarian who would see my name, turn me in, and get me DFed. But somewhere I would be relieved and thank YHWH for setting me free. BTW, the line about the toilet in bethel KILLED me. So true...
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  Did I miss my opportunity?

  by StillGroggy in

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  im a long time witness but the last district convention with all of it's "don't think for yourself" propoganda led me to this board.

  lately i've been trying to formulate a plan, to try and reason with her and get us both out (although her whole family is in, and probably will be till death)

  my wife has at times been dissilussioned with the org, but, ironically, i'm usually the one to comfort her and tell her to wait on jehovah.

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  Thanks JWDaughter. We've had some major issues in the org with Lies/Slander=Unofficial shunning and the like, and didn't leave for that.

  The things that kill me are the views of JW Pseudo-Conscience. I've felt for a long time that conscience didn't really exist in the org, it was all what was the official stance and the people around you. I brought this up to my wife and she got real scared and said "Do you still think that this is God's organization"

  At the time I did, so i said yes, but I've never thought that their views of the minutia of "conscience" issues are infallible.

  So I've had inklings since long before I ever googled "Jehovah's Witness"

  I hope you understand my ranting, like other "sleepers" I have NO-ONE else I can speak to openly without destroying my life.
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  Did I miss my opportunity?

  by StillGroggy in

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  im a long time witness but the last district convention with all of it's "don't think for yourself" propoganda led me to this board.

  lately i've been trying to formulate a plan, to try and reason with her and get us both out (although her whole family is in, and probably will be till death)

  my wife has at times been dissilussioned with the org, but, ironically, i'm usually the one to comfort her and tell her to wait on jehovah.

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  LittleToe, I would love that! You never know!
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  Did I miss my opportunity?

  by StillGroggy in

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  im a long time witness but the last district convention with all of it's "don't think for yourself" propoganda led me to this board.

  lately i've been trying to formulate a plan, to try and reason with her and get us both out (although her whole family is in, and probably will be till death)

  my wife has at times been dissilussioned with the org, but, ironically, i'm usually the one to comfort her and tell her to wait on jehovah.

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  Hello All, Good suggestions.

  Serendipity, I think I'm going to bring some things up during our family study.

  previously I considered just DAing myself but It's probably better if I get her thinking FIRST and try to open up the communication. She pointed out a masonic symbol she spotted on an old pub in one of the mags, so eventually i want to get into the weird russel pyramid obsession stuff

  also, she must've missed the whole "generation" switcheroo in 1995, which is no suprise to me, I would've missed it if it wasn't for someone pointing it out to me (An older sister who was really struggling with it emotionally). So I'll probably discuss that with her and observe her reaction. Since most of you probably have experience at talking with JW family, do these ideas sound good?
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  Did I miss my opportunity?

  by StillGroggy in

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  2. experiences

  im a long time witness but the last district convention with all of it's "don't think for yourself" propoganda led me to this board.

  lately i've been trying to formulate a plan, to try and reason with her and get us both out (although her whole family is in, and probably will be till death)

  my wife has at times been dissilussioned with the org, but, ironically, i'm usually the one to comfort her and tell her to wait on jehovah.

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  Im a long time witness but the last District Convention with all of it's "Don't think for yourself" propoganda led me to this board. Lately I've been trying to formulate a plan, to try and reason with her and get us both out (although her whole family is in, and probably will be till death) My wife has at times been dissilussioned with the org, but, ironically, I'm usually the one to comfort her and tell her to wait on Jehovah. Last night she was bothered by something going on in the cong, and she asked me what's the point of staying in the religion. I had to play the part, but my conscience didn't allow me to tell her it was worth it to stay in, when I know it's a waste. I simply told her to not overreact (It seemed to work) Did I miss my opportunity? I've been looking for a good opportunity to bring up how I feel, but I'm terrified of what's going to happen. What if she decides to leave me for "Spiritual endangerment". Is this likely based on WT rules? Should I wait for another opportunity like this, when she might be open to reasoning? BTW, hello all
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  Did i miss it , or what was the Announcement on Wednesday?

  by chiddy in

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  Here's the announcement that's going to be made... "Guys... gotcha *Breaks out in laughter* boy did we REALLY have you guys going there! I mean COME ON! God's gonna destroy everybody except for us. YOU BOUGHT THAT!" *More laughter* "Okay... um anyway, forget all that..." (Elder walks off laughing)