Posts by StillGroggy

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Kingdom Melodies and Hidden Messages

by inbyathread in

there has been talk about wt imagery and the use of subtle hypnotism during meetings.. we had a co who very forcefully wanted the piano players axed and the canned music used for the singing.. has there been any studies done to find sub-harmonic messages hidden in the music?.

paranoia and conspiracy artists may now address.

thanks.

StillGroggy

The other day at the hall I sang the "present truth" line in one of the songs and got really angry.

I can't believe I've been singing that for years and never realized the implicaiton of it

PRESENT TRUTH!!! THERE'S NO SUCH THING!

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How long did your exit process take?

by StillGroggy in

this has probably been posted before, but i'm new here.

for those who daed or dfed, how long did your exit take and why?.

i'm trying to figure out how long it'll take me to get out.. thanks.

StillGroggy

OntheWayOut, That's excellent advice. I will be careful to say nothing except here or

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How long did your exit process take?

by StillGroggy in

this has probably been posted before, but i'm new here.

for those who daed or dfed, how long did your exit take and why?.

i'm trying to figure out how long it'll take me to get out.. thanks.

StillGroggy

My only family in the cult is doing the fade so I don't think she'll shun me, My wife's family however is . My wife is the only reason I haven't pulled the plug yet.

I'm getting myself mentally ready for potential ways my life could go if/When I decide to leave. My guess is due to family ties she won't leave the organization, but hopefully she won't divorce me once i leave.

However, I don't underestimate the power of family ties and the org brainwashing, and I'm getting myself mentally ready to get "canned" by my wife for apostasy

However, I'll let that same drive that kept me a witness all these years, the drive to do what I feel is right, keep me strong. Ironic, no?

BTW, 6-8 months is my timeframe

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Special Assembly 2-Day 2,000 delegates and TWO baptisms!

by MinisterAmos in

jw
friends

just got back from the special one day assembly and had to share this important info.

only two baptisms today; two girls about 15-16 out of 2,000 attendees.. i stumbled more than two with my anti-witnessing.

i posted un expose material in the bathrooms along with pre and post nov 1995 1914 generation belief.. incidentally, attendance was down almost 25% over last year as well.

StillGroggy

I was just at my special 1 day and there were 20-someott dipped, mostly kids. I wish they had broken that financial independence stuff out at mine. I was just the usual "obey" drivel and guilt-fest from "company men". The good thing is that it prompted my wife's interest in restarting our lax family study. We used to study for meetings as our "family study" but I suggested we have a seperate night to delve "deeper".

Now we can actually talk and hopefully, actually do some THINKING instead of just underlining.

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How long did your exit process take?

by StillGroggy in

this has probably been posted before, but i'm new here.

for those who daed or dfed, how long did your exit take and why?.

i'm trying to figure out how long it'll take me to get out.. thanks.

StillGroggy

This has probably been posted before, but I'm new here.

for those who DAed or DFed, how long did your exit take and why?

I'm trying to figure out how long It'll take me to get out.

Thanks

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I will be turning in my resignation today.

by AK - Jeff in

from the dubs.

after being cornered and tired of the games, i suggested kevin elder meet me and i would give him my letter of da.

he doesn't know it has been posted on this forum and on jwfacts site for a week or better, and that i sent many copies of it out to former friends last friday.

StillGroggy

congrats jeff, I wonder how long till I'm in your shoes...

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How significant was the 1995 bombshell - generation?

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

i was wondering what effect the article on the generation change had on most people here?.

for years, the trump card on the ministry when replying to the "it will never come in my day" objection to armageddon, was the doctrine of the generation.

many jw`s probobly held back from making important financial comitments.

StillGroggy

I was 12 years old and newly baptized, so I didn't think about it at all.

people around me where going nuts though

Prob a good 6 years later it crossed my mind that it was a copout. Now I know it is...

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I had lunch with some workmates and we all clinked glasses...

by StillGroggy in

jw
friends

...am i going to hell now??

?

StillGroggy

Nope, not supposed to, and they arrogantly say it at weddings too...

"This being a CHRISTIAN gathering, there will be no clinking of glasses"

stupid as it sounds, i looked around and checked to see if anyone was looking, and then clinked glasses, sealing my place in hades.

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I had lunch with some workmates and we all clinked glasses...

by StillGroggy in

jw
friends

...am i going to hell now??

?

StillGroggy

...Am I going to hell now???

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Did I miss my opportunity?

by StillGroggy in

im a long time witness but the last district convention with all of it's "don't think for yourself" propoganda led me to this board.

lately i've been trying to formulate a plan, to try and reason with her and get us both out (although her whole family is in, and probably will be till death)

my wife has at times been dissilussioned with the org, but, ironically, i'm usually the one to comfort her and tell her to wait on jehovah.

StillGroggy

Drew Sagan and JWDaughter, You both are awesome! Thanks for the personalized advice. I wanted to get some other bible translations for comparison as well as some well-respected commentaries that the society quotes from (IE, strongs) Any good suggestions? I think the internet will come into question due to the Dub paranoia, but a book the society quotes will go under the radar. Also I'm just going to present the info on "the generation" to her and ask her how she feels about it, tell her how I felt about it, and let that stew. Also, FREE, I've read portions of both books, the ones i found on wikipedia, but I can't buy it on amazon because I'll blow my cover. I've been using local library searches to find one I can check out. I believe they exist. Then again in the past I had a JW "friend" who worked at a video store, spied on my rentals, and told the elders he was stumbled by something I rented. The elders told me about it, but of course wouldn't tell me WHAT it was he didn't like, so I couldn't address it (It could've been a freaking disney movie for all I know, or something a non-witness family member rented on my account.) So with my luck, there's a witness-librarian who would see my name, turn me in, and get me DFed. But somewhere I would be relieved and thank YHWH for setting me free. BTW, the line about the toilet in bethel KILLED me. So true...