Yes Minimus, I never could grasp that one myself. That chapter is where Jesus is talking about literal slavery under the Hebrew law and using the parable to talk about the Holy spirit. Paul describes himself as being a "slave" to Jesus and so on. No slave "class" though. This whole "class" of Christians bit was strange to me. I also had a lot of difficulty with Revelation Chapter 9 and their silly explanations too.
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What Do You Think About The "Faithful&Discreet Slave Class"?
by minimus inthere are so many new posters here now, i think this topic should be revisited.
i believe the most ridiculous belief that witnesses have is a "slave class" made up of 144,000 give spiritual "food at the proper time".
why can't jws see thru this??
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Well, uh, I don't even know ya. But I missed you anyway, friend.
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Subliminal Messages
by Butters inhey guys, uh, well, i was kinda hoping maybe you guys could share some of those scans of the old wt articles that have all the subliminal messages i heard so much about.
i have one download that shows the pentagram in the chair and so on, but is this real?
did they really try and deceive people?
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Butters
Science! It's poetry in motion...
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2nd Corinthians 3
by Butters ini want to get a solid opinion on this chapter from everyone.
2nd corinithians 3 is a major set back for those who believe in keeping the 10 commandments.
possibly.
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Ade, I don't know where you were going with all that, but my point is that the BIBLE alone doesn't teach us to observe Sunday as special. It teaches us to keep the Sabbath day holy and blessed. God blessed the Sabbath day long before any human was created to try and change his special day. We are taught to IMITATE GOD and love him and KEEP THAT DAY. The bible is clear on this. How did people get so deceived?
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Subliminal Messages
by Butters inhey guys, uh, well, i was kinda hoping maybe you guys could share some of those scans of the old wt articles that have all the subliminal messages i heard so much about.
i have one download that shows the pentagram in the chair and so on, but is this real?
did they really try and deceive people?
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Butters
Ok, do you think it has anything to do with the amount of DeLysergic Acid Diethelymide-25 that I took years ago?
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Subliminal Messages
by Butters inhey guys, uh, well, i was kinda hoping maybe you guys could share some of those scans of the old wt articles that have all the subliminal messages i heard so much about.
i have one download that shows the pentagram in the chair and so on, but is this real?
did they really try and deceive people?
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Ok, boo hoo. You guys don't want to participate that's fine. I will just go crawl in a hole and die... No seriously, do you have ears to hear what I asked? I asked if you would post a scan, and tell me what you think it means. That is the point here. I know there are hundreds of photos online that have the subliminal messages. I was going to see what everyone thinks some of them mean. I know about the Masonic "E" which is in some of the photos which represents the "END" of the old world order, and supports the Freemason view of the heirarchy of Family government, specifically the Bush administration's plans since the early 60's. But I want to hear what all the rest of you think. Open your free minds to some ideas. Express yourself. Please. Without any inherent pragmatism. Google is a rather blunt instrument online.
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Paul Did Not Write Hebrews
by Butters infor those of us who still read the bible, and believe it, it should be noted that paul did not write hebrews.
there is a clear statement in the bible that proves this rather easily.... hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation?
which having at the first been spoken through the lord, was confirmed unto us by them that heard;.
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For those of us who still read the Bible, and believe it, it should be noted that Paul DID NOT write Hebrews. There is a clear statement in the bible that proves this rather easily...
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation? which having at the first been spoken through the Lord, was confirmed unto us by them that heard;
The bible is rather clear that Paul is not the author of this. He didn't have the gospel first "confirmed to him" by OTHERS, "them that heard"... as he says in his letter to the Galatians 1:11-12
11 For I make known to you, brethren, as touching the gospel which was preached by me, that it is not after man.
12 For neither did I receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came to me through revelation of Jesus Christ.
Hopes this clears things up for everyone....
Butters
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2nd Corinthians 3
by Butters ini want to get a solid opinion on this chapter from everyone.
2nd corinithians 3 is a major set back for those who believe in keeping the 10 commandments.
possibly.
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The Sabbath was Friday-Saturday, not Sunday. Sunday was the kuriaké hémera "Lord's Day" (cf. Didache 14:1, Revelation 1:10, Gospel of Peter 12:1), e.g. the day Jesus rose from the dead, on which Christians assembled for the eucharist. See the epistle of Barnabas 15:8-9 for a likening of Sunday to the "eighth day" of creation week (which is created to replace the sabbath which is no longer "acceptable"), which the author explains "is why we spend the eighth day in celebration, the day on which Jesus both arose from the dead and, after appearing again, ascended into heaven".
I disagree with this. The Messiah said that he was Lord of the Sabbath day in Mark 2:28. He said the Sabbath was made for MAN, (not Israel) and that we are to keep it holy and DO GOOD on it. Where did Sunday come into play? It seems that the later Church fathers made it up, all part of their Babylonian Trinity and other false dogma. The law was transferred (Hebrews 7:12) to Messiah along with the priesthood. Hebrews 4 teaches us that God rested on the Sabbath day, (7th day) and we are to imitate God, the author said (whoever wrote Hebrews, we don't know, it was definitely NOT PAUL). The epistle of Barnabas is not scripture. That writing was assembled in the latter part of the 7th century of our era.
The "Lord's Day" is a future reference to things about to occur according to revelation. It is not a reference to Sunday, which is not the lord's day. The Shabbat is the Lord's day of rest. He also was not resurrected on a Sunday. That makes no sense at all in accord with Jonah's "3 days and 3 nights". 3 days and 3 nights from Friday was Monday at the earliest, but since Messiah was hung on a High Sabbath, (the day of preparation being before which would be Wednesday) then he rose late on the Sabbath day just as Matthew 28:1 says....
Sorry... You are wrong on this Leolaia. Too much pagan Greek Church stuff and Ex-Watchtower stuff lingering around I think. Try Messianic Judaism out for a change. The real Messiah by the way is Yoseph's son. Not a spirit baby according to some pagan neo-platonism. Isaiah 7:14 doesn't belong in Matthew. The real true Hebrew Matthew doesn't have that verse. Isaiah 7:14 is fulfilled in Isaiah 8:3 anyway.... A sign to Ahaz makes no sense 400+ years before the Messiah is born... It's biblical ballyhoo.
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Subliminal Messages
by Butters inhey guys, uh, well, i was kinda hoping maybe you guys could share some of those scans of the old wt articles that have all the subliminal messages i heard so much about.
i have one download that shows the pentagram in the chair and so on, but is this real?
did they really try and deceive people?
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Butters
Hey Guys, uh, well, I was kinda hoping maybe you guys could share some of those scans of the old WT articles that have all the subliminal messages I heard so much about. I have one download that shows the pentagram in the chair and so on, but is this real? Did they really try and deceive people? (Bad joke)... Seriously, if anyone doesn't mind posting these heresies, I would like to see them and maybe hear what it was supposed to mean.
Thanks Guys,
BUTTERS
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Cardinals vs. Tigers in World Series
by Jourles inso who do you think will win the ws?.
jourles, of the rabid cardinal nation since '85 class.
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Butters
I don't believe in jinxing. The Mets are going to win the game 7 to 3. I finally went out and bought a crystal ball.