Estee, it is inbetween the book of Toast and the book of Muffins.
Butters
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5 questions
by Iforget ini read here so much that sometimes it makes my head hurt with how much bs i have been fed all of my life.
now that i am studying another religion i am so pissed off i can't see straight.
i don't care to get into a heated debate with my family over what i am choosing to do so i come here asking for 5 questions (there can be plenty more) that i can just say to my family that would give them pause as to why i am not going to their church anymore.
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End-Time-Prophecy flyers being circulated in England!
by Atlantis inthese 'end-time-prophecy' flyers have been handed out in many neighborhoods in england since september.
http://resized.file.sc/anon/rsdhvnew.jpg cheers!
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Butters
What I cannot figure out is why we don't have as much large scale media attacking the JW's here in the states. I think the dubs are paying the Associated Press. With all the hypocrisy, you would think that we would see many more of the molestation and abuse cases brought forward on NBC investigates or the CBS evening news. I think a good way for Katie Couric to get her career really rolling is to do a sit down at the end of each news broadcast with the many women and children of past WT abuse, and have a woman to woman talk... Also I am hoping that we have a female prez soon too.
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5 questions
by Iforget ini read here so much that sometimes it makes my head hurt with how much bs i have been fed all of my life.
now that i am studying another religion i am so pissed off i can't see straight.
i don't care to get into a heated debate with my family over what i am choosing to do so i come here asking for 5 questions (there can be plenty more) that i can just say to my family that would give them pause as to why i am not going to their church anymore.
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Butters
That's true. But then eventually they will have about 5 elders to try and coerse them back to Jehovah's anger.
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Are ex dubs more political?
by hambeak inas a jw you are neutral and do not get involved in political affiairs.
now that i am not active i am very political and i vote.
what do you think?
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Butters
Oh yeah, the topic... I find politicians to be worse then active witnesses still. I would rather sit in a Kingdom Hall then hear two political parties badmouth each other. Plus witnesses are much funnier on stage.
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Are ex dubs more political?
by hambeak inas a jw you are neutral and do not get involved in political affiairs.
now that i am not active i am very political and i vote.
what do you think?
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Butters
I noticed that I found myself more sorrowful for military funerals then I used to be, and I am finally starting to see Christmas as an act of love, and not so much a disobedience to God's ways. I often thought of how Jesus took the Pharisee's traditions and explained how they were evil, because of how they were being used. They were not seeing the weightier matters of the law, (mercy, love, etc). So what if Christmas has it's origins in Pagan/Babylonian worship. The spirit of love is there, and that is more important to Jesus then anything. It is not a selfish holiday either. It is about giving to others.
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5 questions
by Iforget ini read here so much that sometimes it makes my head hurt with how much bs i have been fed all of my life.
now that i am studying another religion i am so pissed off i can't see straight.
i don't care to get into a heated debate with my family over what i am choosing to do so i come here asking for 5 questions (there can be plenty more) that i can just say to my family that would give them pause as to why i am not going to their church anymore.
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Butters
Good one Aude.
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5 questions
by Iforget ini read here so much that sometimes it makes my head hurt with how much bs i have been fed all of my life.
now that i am studying another religion i am so pissed off i can't see straight.
i don't care to get into a heated debate with my family over what i am choosing to do so i come here asking for 5 questions (there can be plenty more) that i can just say to my family that would give them pause as to why i am not going to their church anymore.
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Butters
You have to defeat them biblically. All the other "feely touchy" subjects will be refuted with bible texts. There are plenty of texts in the bible to show that they are dead wrong on doctrine, and that they are not practicing the teachings of Jesus or God.
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5 questions
by Iforget ini read here so much that sometimes it makes my head hurt with how much bs i have been fed all of my life.
now that i am studying another religion i am so pissed off i can't see straight.
i don't care to get into a heated debate with my family over what i am choosing to do so i come here asking for 5 questions (there can be plenty more) that i can just say to my family that would give them pause as to why i am not going to their church anymore.
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Butters
2. Why are the 144,000 not literal tribes from Israel? How can all those individual verses not represent Jacob's children? (James mentions "12 tribes" and so does Jesus) 3. How can Michael be Christ when Michael says "May GOD rebuke thee" (Jude 1:9) (Michael "dare not" bring a charge against Satan), but Jesus, a man can rebuke demons? (Hence Michael is not Jesus) 4. If you are going to teach that when a person dies they go into the ground of Sheol, then how can one of the 144,000 be in heaven now? In what form? What is their substance? Jesus was a flesh and blood man when he was raised (Luke 24:37-42, 1Tim2:5) 5. Why is a blood transfusion wrong when Jesus says that there is no greater love a man could have, then to lay down his life for his brother or sister? (John 15:13) 6. Why does the bible teach that Jehovah's Witnesses are deceived (Butters 5:23)
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Are Faders "better" than DF'd or DA'd?
by ESTEE inthis is something i've been mulling over.
just would like to hear opinions as to whether faders, or inactive ones think they are superior to disfellowshipped or disassociated ones?
what is your experience with this?
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Butters
I suppose I am a fader, although they probably disfellowshiped me after I volunatarily left. I was baptized, but I attended very few meanings the last 3 -4 years before leaving in 96'. The day I left, I literally left, and moved out of the area back to the bayou. I never bothered to arrange contact or told them I was moving, or even let them know of my thoughts. The idea to leave was well preconceived long before any evidence of it surfaced. The lack of attendance should have clued them in, but I showed up at least one Sunday a month, and always dropped 2 or 3 c notes in the box, and that is all this congregation really gives a hoot about.
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Have Faith in God
by Reslight ini was hoping to find a topic forum of general encouragement.
not finding such an area, i have decided to post it here, as this seems to be the closest.
if this should have been placed in some other area, please let me know.
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Butters
"When Satan puts mountains of obstacles in our path to discourage us, we may find it difficult to have faith in our Heavenly Father that such mountainous obstacles can be removed." - I found it much easier to live and be responsible for my own actions, once I realized that the bible's Hebrew language of "Satan" is not talking about a supernatural monster, but rather the human heart. The heart is deceitful above all things. There is no hob goblin to blame for our mistakes. We only have ourselves as false teachers to blame.