Posts by Butters

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The Creator's Creator...

by dorayakii in

i have several ways of stating and demonstrating what is essentially the same point.... 1. jws often deflected the question, "what is the purpose of life?

", by stating that our purpose it is to serve the creator... but, what is the purpose of the creator himself?

must we not apply the same criteria to the creator as we do to ourselves?

Butters

If God didn't exist, then man would have no need to invent him... (Butters 36:24:36)

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In Hope of Helping a Dub become Ex-Dub

by KW13 in

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friends

when you take the opportunity to help a dub and show them flaws in the religion - hoping that maybe you can free them, what is your motive?.

i find that although my main motive (i think) is to free them for their sake, the thought of having an ex-jw i can talk to and would understand me that way, would help a lot..... do you do it for those two reasons alone?

i do it for the main reason but the second often crosses my mind..

Butters

I have found that a good strong drug addiction will do the trick nicely. Perhaps dropping a hit of acid in their juice before Saturday field service can help. I could imagine the headlines. Make sure they have all the beatles albums in their CD player or MP3 player when they get home from the hospital.

Seriously... There is obviously no sure fired way for anyone to convince anyone else of anything, unless you are the BORG and you trap people with word games and head games...

Shalom and Hare Krishna,

Butters

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Two lesbians say "I do"

by writerpen in

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friends

i'm always coming back to this site to read everyone's post and only start a thread when i really feel the need.

only you guys would understand the irony of what happened yesterday.

my partner and i had a commitment ceremony yesterday.

Butters

Please describe the honeymoon evening for Butters. Butters wants details of intimacy.

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Isaiah 11:6-9

by return visitor in

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have you noticed that the wts in their publications literally interpret this schripture, isaiah 11:6-9 .

6 and the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them.

7 and the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down.

Butters

I was thinkingTM about how the the New World ~~Order~~ Translation renders the beginning of the verse with three added words not found in the Hebrew anywhere. Will this get me disfellowhiped and shot and then smeared on some toast?

Butt Ers

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why can the big bang now be excepted by dubs

by looseend in

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growing up i was always told, (like most of you) that evolution was crap.

my dads friend was visiting (who is an elder) and was talking to my dad (who is still a dub) about how the universe could have fit in the palm of his hand at one point in time.

this elder was talking about the big bang theory and how god put it in place.

Butters

Big bang? Or Buttering muffins?

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michael/jesus

by gspradling in

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friends

i know this has been discussed until you are all probably sick of it, but i have been trying to find a watchtower quote on exactly how michael became jesus.

i have googled it and checked my books throughly without any success.

thanks in advance

Butters

The bride is hopefully millions of saved people who are his disciples, joint heirs in the kingdom grafted to Abraham's lovely bosom. Wouldn't you like to be a bosom too?

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michael/jesus

by gspradling in

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friends

i know this has been discussed until you are all probably sick of it, but i have been trying to find a watchtower quote on exactly how michael became jesus.

i have googled it and checked my books throughly without any success.

thanks in advance

Butters

AT this time, I would like to interject my own personal commentary:

1. Human beings do not pre-exist.

2. Yeshua the Messiah is a human being.

3. Yeshua the Messiah is the son of Yoseph and Miriyam.

4. Yeshua sucked breast milk from his mother, was taught Torah, burped, and made tables and other wood furnishings as the carpenter he grew up to be.

5. Angels do not fornicate with women or enter people's bodies. The accounts in Genesis 6 are not talking about angels. Genesis 6:5-7 makes it abundantly clear that Yahweh is angry at mankind, not his angels. If angels did have relations with women, then Messiah's birth would be a violation of something God hates anyway.

6. Angels do not die. (Luke 20:36)

7. Angels do not marry, not are given in marriage. (Matthew 22:30). Messiah has a bride (Revelation 21:9)

8. Quite clearly, Revelation 6:1,2 proves that Messiah is the one opening a seal, not the one riding the horse. The false Messiah, who fights and kills with the other 4 horsemen of the apocolypse is not the same guy opening the seal.

9. Michael had a dispute with the Satan (the Jews in Moses' day) over the "body of Moses" in Jude 1:9. Michael DARED NOT to bring a judgement against the people at that time, but said "May YHWH rebuke you"... If Michael were Messiah, he could rebuke the Satan here in question. He didnt'. As we know, Messiah rebuked MANY satans in his day...

10. The Watchtower bible and tract society is a bullshit organization that cannot understand bible texts in their authentic meaning. They must twist and wrest the scriptures to their own destruction. This is most unfortuneate that we cannot do what we can to save 6 or 7 million people who won't be around with the billions of others who make it to happy hell....

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About early christianity: Good link!

by Hellrider in

i found a good text online, about early christianity: .

http://www.muslimhope.com/bibleanswers/earlychurch.htm.

...the text has nothing to do with islam at all, but it is published on a web-page that tries to reach out to moslems...(never mind that, it`s not important).

Butters

What is not sane about this thought process is that you are suggesting that people's minds be influenced by 2nd century thought instead of the opposing 1st century thought that has no trinity or any other philosophy not taught by the canon of the bible.

If you don't mind though, could you please address Revelation 1:1 for me? Why did God need a revelation from God? And did the other 3rd God need a revelation from God also? How many parts of God needed a revelation from themselves? Rather schizophrenic if you ask me. The real fact of the matter is that Jesus is just a human and nothing more then the very best human to ever live according to the BIBLE... The 2nd century from the 1st is like comparing the 19th to the 20th. Cell phones werent' around in the 19th century. The trinity wasn't around in the 1st, but became an idea of man in the 2nd sometime during that 100 year period... It's definitely not what the bible teaches though, and that is all I need to know.

Your link lacks tact. It is bias towards false philosophies and doctrines of man.

Butters

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