Posts by Earnest

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Those members who passed away

by Gorb in

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who of those passed away jwd/jwn members, do we think of??.

oompah and the lady from australia, are there more??.

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I wonder about Old Goat who became a Witness in 1948 and at one time taught history at university level. He had a good knowledge of the history of Jehovah's Witnesses but we haven't heard from him since August 2017. Perhaps Vienne's daughter (Annie) might know as he was in contact with both Schulz and de Vienne regarding their research on early Watchtower history.

Another old-time contributor was larc (Carl Thornton), whose mother was Berta Peale's niece, and who provided a lot about Rutherford's entourage in the thread Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie and elsewhere, died in November 2005, as reported here.

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LOTTERY+STRIPPER+BIBLE STUDY = a Jehovah’s Witness Sister!

by Terry in

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lottery+stripper+bible study = a jehovah’s witness sister!don’t most financially-strapped blue-collar people buy lottery tickets - what’s so special about that?vivian, mother of 4, a factory worker - it was her husband who played the pools and won £5.5 million pounds!viv and her husband lived in yorkshire and in the u.k. they call it playing the “ football pools.”they were the biggest winners in history (at the time) and the year was 1961.the first question winners are asked is: “what will you do with all that cash?”viv’s honest reply later became the title of her book (and later - a musical!

) “spend spend spend!”who doesn’t imagined winning such a sudden fortune would be the end of life’s problems?not so fast!four years after hitting the jackpot, her husband died at the wheel of his new jaguar, leaving an estate of only £42,000.

i mean that is all that was remaining after a mad spending spree.

Earnest

She died on 11 April 2015 at the age of 79, as reported by the BBC.

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Jehovah Witnesses lost in Court. Disfellowshipped Sister Reinstated by Court Order?

by pistolpete in

imagine the "faithful" jws who are now having to talk to this person by court order or face the consequences----legally.. exjws are spreading the news and now some exjws who have been disfellowshipped for years are starting to research to see if this is an option in their country.

here are the articles, you need to translate in google.

https://www.nrk.no/norge/gry-nygard-ble-ekskludert-fra-jehovas-vitner-_-vant-i-lagmannsretten-1.15570621.

Earnest

Rolf Furuli, who was an elder in Norway for 57 years, considers this disfellowshipping to be a violation of Bible principles and has uploaded a study of the court case on his website. While I do not agree with all his conclusions, his study is quite helpful as it provides an English translation by a native Norwegian about what was said and what the courts decided. His study is in two parts and can be accessed here and here.

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Religious groups in UK failing children over sex abuse, report says - BBC News

by ballistic in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58420270.

this item just featured on the bbc lunchtime news today as the headline story and the piece included a reporter who singled out jehovah's witnesses for discussion from the 30 organisations covered by the report.

the news item then went on to feature an extensive interview ex elder and ex jehovah's witness writer lloyd evans..

Earnest

This case has now been postponed until 4th November 2021.

The papers in the case show that the elders had one meeting with the perpetrator on July 27, 2006 and also had a separate meeting with his wife about the same time. The case against the elders for not reporting the abuse is based on what they were told at this time, not on what subsequently happened in the next ten years which they did not know about.

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What Do You Think?

by Atlantis in

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do you think the tower is getting money from the government for encouraging people to get vaccinated?

or is there just too much lemon in my tea?.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/07/27/biden-harris-admin-provides-121-million-in-arp-funding-to-local-communities-for-covid-19-vaccines.htmlbiden-harris administration provides $121 million in american rescue plan funds to support local community-based efforts to increase covid-19 vaccinations in underserved communities.

Earnest

I agree with BluesBrother that it would risk their credibility to accept money for encouraging people to get vaccinated. Neither the Watchtower Society nor its affiliates are included in the funding by HRSA in June or July 2021.

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The Cross in Pompeii & Herculaneum in 79 AD

by Sea Breeze in

can someone please tell the wt janitor to turn the lights off when the last jw leaves the watchtower after learning that early christians used the cross as a christian logo of sorts?

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Earnest

In the book "Pompeii's Ashes: The Reception of the Cities Buried by Vesuvius" (Berlin 2015) by E. Moormann, he writes (p.239) :

A 'cross' found on the wall above [the cupboard] was long thought to imply a Christian altar, but since publications by L. Falanga [La mensole di Boscoreale e la 'croce' di Ercolano, Sylva Mala (1986) 12-15] and R. de Kind ["Themis en Iusta voor vrouwe justitia", Hermeneus 62 (1990) 196-202] it has been generally accepted that only a simple cupboard was involved. The 'cross' is merely the impression left by a shelf.

In other words, the indentation in the plaster simply served for the insertion of two interconnected wooden lathes to support a small plank. Such a wooden shelf has been found in the Villa Regina of Boscoreale. It is almost exactly the same shape as that of the impression in Herculaneum.

Unfortunately, interpreting the cupboard as a shrine and the remains of the shelf as a cross are just wishful thinking.

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Help needed - Did the GB receive Covid money?

by iwasblind in

this is not a political post regarding the vax jab, (let's not go there) but i personally know many who were disturbed by the gb pushing it in the update #7. .

it is odd as they never really get involved and always do the stupid "conscious" thing whenever they don't want to take responsibility.. then i saw this article - https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/03/898753550/religious-groups-received-6-10-billion-in-covid-19-relief-funds-hope-for-more?t=1632597803079&fbclid=iwar0ly8k1fb3cdgknmmxs9aruz-wtex6sir9_uz2uxofkae4iyk7sm5r1ndu&t=1632598929611.

there is a report with itemized churches and the amounts they were given.

Earnest

The "more complete" list that Anony Mous provided above only includes companies who received loans over $150,000 at the moment. It does suggest that it will include loans under $150,000 in the future.

The companies listed at the moment include two with the word "Watchtower", namely Watchtower Security, Inc and Watchtower LLC.

Watchtower Security, Inc is a managed video surveillance company specializing in meeting the specific security needs for the multi-family housing industry. Watchtower LLC is part of the Computer Systems Design and Related Services Industry.

Nothing to see here relating to the Watchtower Society or its affiliates at the moment. When the list includes loans under $150,000 then it may be worth looking at again.

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Does anyone have a copy of the Jan 1st 1989 Watchtower I can buy

by mickbobcat in

i want to buy a copy not a copy of one but the actual copy of a 1989 jan 1st watchtower.

let me know i would like to have one to show someone i am talking to about it.

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Earnest

A digital copy of the English magazine can be seen here. It is the entire January 1, 1989, issue of both the original Watchtower magazine and the bound volume.

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Help needed - Did the GB receive Covid money?

by iwasblind in

this is not a political post regarding the vax jab, (let's not go there) but i personally know many who were disturbed by the gb pushing it in the update #7. .

it is odd as they never really get involved and always do the stupid "conscious" thing whenever they don't want to take responsibility.. then i saw this article - https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/03/898753550/religious-groups-received-6-10-billion-in-covid-19-relief-funds-hope-for-more?t=1632597803079&fbclid=iwar0ly8k1fb3cdgknmmxs9aruz-wtex6sir9_uz2uxofkae4iyk7sm5r1ndu&t=1632598929611.

there is a report with itemized churches and the amounts they were given.

Earnest

The report shows that the Catholic Church was quite proactive in taking advantage of the Paycheck Protection Program. The report says :

Churches of all denominations and other religious nonprofits were quick to take advantage of the Paycheck Protection Program, which provided forgivable loans under the CARES Act in March. The U.S. Catholic Church alone received at least $1.4 billion in funding and possibly as much as $3.5 billion under the program, according to an analysis by the Associated Press, using data provided by the Small Business Administration (SBA).

It doesn't seem that the Watchtower Society or affiliates were major beneficiaries. However, the government's data didn't name recipients of loans under $150,000 so until a complete list of beneficiaries is provided it is impossible to say whether the Watchtower Society benefited from this at all.

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What Do They Have in Common?: Covington/ Muhammed Ali / Disfellowship policy

by Terry in

covington / muhammed ali / disfellowship (what do they have in common?

)“hayden c. covington, one of the most influential figures in the history of first amendment law.

beyond the numerous first amendment cases he argued or co-argued in the supreme court, he also prevailed on behalf of the witnesses in over “100 decisions handed down by various state supreme courts, and .

Earnest

EdenOne,

The article "Use Theocratic War Strategy" in the 1957 Watchtower (5/1 pp. 285-286) refers to the 1956 Watchtower (2/1 pp. 76-90) in the footnotes.

The 1956 Watchtower contains the study article "Cautious as Serpents Among Wolves" which spends fifty paragraphs discussing how we are to be cautious as serpents with many Bible examples. It uses the expression "war strategy" five times, and the word "strategy" fourteen times (including "war strategy") in the article. This was a positive endorsement of what has become known as theocratic strategy or warfare.