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  In the UK it is legal to abort a Down's Syndrome baby up until the moment of birth

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  there was a recent legal challenge, brought about by a woman who herself has down's, which sought to overturn this sad state of affairs.. and a few days ago, a judge upheld the original law and denied her legal challenge.

  this is pretty sick, don't you think?.

  pro-abortion people love to ridicule religious people who claim that life begins at conception, so the obvious question is, when does life actually begin?.

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  LoveUniHateExams : this was just my way of saying that Down Syndrome babies can be legally killed at birth.

  For your benefit I will repeat the UK law. Killing any child (whether seriously handicapped or not) at birth is murder.

  What about carrying out an abortion when the pregnancy is at full term but the child hasn't yet been born, say at 37 weeks. The Infant Life (Preservation) Act of 1929 states

  any person who, with intent to destroy the life of a child capable of being born alive [i.e. a gestation of twenty-eight weeks or more], by any wilful act causes a child to die before it has an existence independent of its mother, shall be guilty of felony, to wit, of child destruction, and shall be liable on conviction thereof on indictment to penal servitude for life [except if it is done in good faith to preserve the life of the mother]

  So, quite frankly, LUHE, your sensational heading to this thread is simply nonsense.
  
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  In the UK it is legal to abort a Down's Syndrome baby up until the moment of birth

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  there was a recent legal challenge, brought about by a woman who herself has down's, which sought to overturn this sad state of affairs.. and a few days ago, a judge upheld the original law and denied her legal challenge.

  this is pretty sick, don't you think?.

  pro-abortion people love to ridicule religious people who claim that life begins at conception, so the obvious question is, when does life actually begin?.

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  LoveUniHateExams : But it's still better than strangling them at birth, which is what our current law allows.

  In UK law strangling a child at birth is murder. On the NHS website it explains that an abortion can be performed in two ways, either by taking medicine to end the pregnancy or by a surgical procedure to remove the pregnancy. In the unlikely but not impossible event that the aborted child is living it then becomes murder if that child is killed.
  
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  In the UK it is legal to abort a Down's Syndrome baby up until the moment of birth

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  there was a recent legal challenge, brought about by a woman who herself has down's, which sought to overturn this sad state of affairs.. and a few days ago, a judge upheld the original law and denied her legal challenge.

  this is pretty sick, don't you think?.

  pro-abortion people love to ridicule religious people who claim that life begins at conception, so the obvious question is, when does life actually begin?.

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  This association of the Abortion Act of 1967 with "murder", "eugenics" and "the left" is so ridiculous and small-minded it is worth highlighting what the position was prior to the Abortion Act being passed.

  Between 1861 and 1929 if a woman attempted to have an abortion by poison or any other means, and anyone who assisted her, would be liable to prosecution with a penalty of between two years and life imprisonment under the Offences Against the Person Act.
  

  In 1929 the Infant Life (Preservation) Act allowed abortion only if it was done to preserve the life of the mother.

  Then in 1967 the Abortion Act was passed which also allowed abortion for other reasons including the probability that the child would be seriously handicapped, either mentally or physically, when born.

  Prior to this a woman who had been raped (and became pregnant), or was a victim of incest (and became pregnant), or who believed her unborn child would be seriously handicapped ... and did not want the child ... would get an illegal abortion with all the medical risks that went with that. A National Poll at the time of the 1967 Abortion Act estimated that there were 31,000 illegal abortions a year, and a total of 600,000 abortions from 1946-66, mostly illegal.

  Which was the better scenario when a pregnant woman was determined to get an abortion? That it be performed in a hospital by a qualified doctor, or in some backstreet under cover of darkness which often resulted in infection or worse.
  
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  Annual Meeting

  by sove in

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  2. friends

  is it the annual meeting this weekend?

  any insights on "new light" or new releases?.

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  After relating that some "old-timers" had told his son forty years ago, when he was still at school, that he would never graduate in this system, Anthony Morris said :

  "If any of you [in the audience] are guilty [of having said this], God loves you, he forgives you. If you did that back then you didn't help anybody."

  How patronising, how revisionist.
  
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  Theocratic Schedule Insert (KM)

  by Iamallcool in

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  i remember some years ago like around 2005 the kingdom ministry insert that talks about what theocratic schedule should be for the dubs.

  if you remember that, i would like to see it again.

  thank you!

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  A digital version of all KMs in 2005 can be accessed here. The May issue is on the pdf p.31
  
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  In the UK it is legal to abort a Down's Syndrome baby up until the moment of birth

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  there was a recent legal challenge, brought about by a woman who herself has down's, which sought to overturn this sad state of affairs.. and a few days ago, a judge upheld the original law and denied her legal challenge.

  this is pretty sick, don't you think?.

  pro-abortion people love to ridicule religious people who claim that life begins at conception, so the obvious question is, when does life actually begin?.

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  Regardless of my own views on abortion, it may be worth considering just what the law in England, Wales and Scotland does say (the law is different in Northern Ireland). The Abortion Act of 1967 said that abortion was allowed at any stage of the pregnancy if two registered medical practitioners were of the opinion, formed in good faith,
  

  • that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, or of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or
  • that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.

  The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act of 1990 amended the first condition to say that in the case of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or her children an abortion would only be legal if the pregnancy had not exceeded its twenty-fourth week. However, this time limit does not apply if the pregnancy would cause grave permanent injury to the pregnant woman, or if it would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman.

  The second condition, which includes Down's syndrome as being "seriously handicapped", was not amended. The judgment rendered in the recent case did not change the law but ruled that the Abortion Act was not unlawful, as reported by the BBC.
  
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  Those members who passed away

  by Gorb in

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  2. friends

  who of those passed away jwd/jwn members, do we think of??.

  oompah and the lady from australia, are there more??.

  g..

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  I wonder about Old Goat who became a Witness in 1948 and at one time taught history at university level. He had a good knowledge of the history of Jehovah's Witnesses but we haven't heard from him since August 2017. Perhaps Vienne's daughter (Annie) might know as he was in contact with both Schulz and de Vienne regarding their research on early Watchtower history.

  Another old-time contributor was larc (Carl Thornton), whose mother was Berta Peale's niece, and who provided a lot about Rutherford's entourage in the thread Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie and elsewhere, died in November 2005, as reported here.
  
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  LOTTERY+STRIPPER+BIBLE STUDY = a Jehovah’s Witness Sister!

  by Terry in

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  lottery+stripper+bible study = a jehovah’s witness sister!don’t most financially-strapped blue-collar people buy lottery tickets - what’s so special about that?vivian, mother of 4, a factory worker - it was her husband who played the pools and won £5.5 million pounds!viv and her husband lived in yorkshire and in the u.k. they call it playing the “ football pools.”they were the biggest winners in history (at the time) and the year was 1961.the first question winners are asked is: “what will you do with all that cash?”viv’s honest reply later became the title of her book (and later - a musical!

  ) “spend spend spend!”who doesn’t imagined winning such a sudden fortune would be the end of life’s problems?not so fast!four years after hitting the jackpot, her husband died at the wheel of his new jaguar, leaving an estate of only £42,000.

  i mean that is all that was remaining after a mad spending spree.

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  She died on 11 April 2015 at the age of 79, as reported by the BBC.
  
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  Jehovah Witnesses lost in Court. Disfellowshipped Sister Reinstated by Court Order?

  by pistolpete in

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  2. beliefs

  imagine the "faithful" jws who are now having to talk to this person by court order or face the consequences----legally.. exjws are spreading the news and now some exjws who have been disfellowshipped for years are starting to research to see if this is an option in their country.

  here are the articles, you need to translate in google.

  https://www.nrk.no/norge/gry-nygard-ble-ekskludert-fra-jehovas-vitner-_-vant-i-lagmannsretten-1.15570621.

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  Rolf Furuli, who was an elder in Norway for 57 years, considers this disfellowshipping to be a violation of Bible principles and has uploaded a study of the court case on his website. While I do not agree with all his conclusions, his study is quite helpful as it provides an English translation by a native Norwegian about what was said and what the courts decided. His study is in two parts and can be accessed here and here.
  
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  Religious groups in UK failing children over sex abuse, report says - BBC News

  by ballistic in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58420270.

  this item just featured on the bbc lunchtime news today as the headline story and the piece included a reporter who singled out jehovah's witnesses for discussion from the 30 organisations covered by the report.

  the news item then went on to feature an extensive interview ex elder and ex jehovah's witness writer lloyd evans..

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  This case has now been postponed until 4th November 2021.

  The papers in the case show that the elders had one meeting with the perpetrator on July 27, 2006 and also had a separate meeting with his wife about the same time. The case against the elders for not reporting the abuse is based on what they were told at this time, not on what subsequently happened in the next ten years which they did not know about.