Posts by Earnest

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Just popped up in my YouTube feed…

by Biahi in

kingdom hall raided by police.

fresno county (ca?

) looking into a man named escobedo, for child molestation, groping, and rape, against at least 10 victims.

Earnest

Biahi : Another one that the elders knew about, and did nothing.

Why assume the elders did nothing?

In the news report at abc30 Action News it reports:

Spokespeople for the Jehovah's Witness national organization say they're cooperating in the investigation.

They told Action News police were contacted about Escobedo's behavior five times between 2009 and 2016, which is when the church expelled Escobedo as a member.

"To our knowledge, the identity of every victim known to the congregation has been reported to the police," they said in a statement. "As we understand it, the authorities were contacted on five different occasions about various incidents. In addition, the police are in possession of all relevant congregation records, which include privileged communications between congregants and elders."

Why wasn't Escobedo disfellowshipped earlier? Well, it is all speculation on our part, but it's noteworthy that the news report also says that "Tulare County investigators dropped a case in 2012 citing insufficient evidence and Fresno County prosecutors dropped another in 2014 for the same reason".

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Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

by slimboyfat in

have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

have you got any views on the information?

i find it worrying at least.

Earnest

The two papers by Dr Malhotra in the Journal of Insulin Resistance can be read here and here.

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Late NEWS:" Sexual harrassment is rife in Antartica".

by smiddy3 in

i saw this this on the news tonight :.

you would think the ladies down their would be able to keep their sexual urges under control wouldn`t you ?

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Earnest

At the same time that sexual harassment was reported on the Australian base, the National Science Foundation concluded that "sexual harassment, stalking, and sexual assault are ongoing, continuing problems" on the US Antarctic base. Is that also a fake narrative?

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Jehovah's Witness facing more than 50 sexual assault-related charges withdraws bail application

by Balaamsass2 in

"the wife of a man accused of sexually assaulting members of his congregation has claimed the alleged victims had "an axe to grind" with the jehovah's witnesses church, court documents reveal.. key points:.

a sunshine coast man accused of the rape and sexual assault of members of the jehovah's witnesses community has withdrawn his bail application.

court documents state the alleged offending occurred over a period of years at several locations throughout queensland.

Earnest

There is already a thread on this.

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Is This New?

by Lost in the fog in

it is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.

going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.

but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!

Earnest

Fisherman : If a man’s wife is brazenly going around dating and touching other men or females even though she is not having sexual relations with them is wrong because she is married, and the congregation can sanction her.

Jesus said that "everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart", but JWs do not consider pornography a basis for judicial action unless it involves an entrenched practice of viewing "abhorrent forms of pornography".

When "nonabhorrent" pornography is viewed the only available sanction is that such a person would not be considered exemplary or "qualify for special priveleges".

I cannot see why dating or touching someone you are not entitled to marry should be treated any differently judicially.

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Is This New?

by Lost in the fog in

it is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.

going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.

but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!

Earnest

Fisherman : How Eve was instructed not to eat it is interpretation, the Bible does not actually say but it seems Adam told her.

Genesis 3:3 has Eve saying to the snake "God has said, 'YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.'" Whether or not that is what God said, that is the principle that the judicial committee relied on. I was quoting verbatim from the letter they wrote to her when she appealed the decision to disfellowship her.

I was appalled by the reasoning given and the city overseer to whom I addressed my concerns was appalled that they had written at all, but the decision was upheld on appeal. The issue was not dating an unbeliever, but that she was not scripturally free to marry.

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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one

by Mikejw in

here in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.

it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .

Earnest

JW News reports that the Governing Body has decided that as of October 1, 2022, mask-wearing will no longer be strongly encouraged at congregation meetings or at other theocratic events. This direction also applies to all special full-time servants. More information will be provided in a future announcement to all congregations.

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Is This New?

by Lost in the fog in

it is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.

going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.

but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!

Earnest

A friend of mine who divorced for reasons other than porneia and subsequently started dating was disfellowshipped "not on grounds of sexual misconduct, but because of your wilful violation of [Bible] principles ... The principles of God's law do not allow for partial disregard of his requirements, as long as we do not go all the way in disobedience. The fruit of the forbidden tree in Eden was not only not to be eaten, but the act of touching it, in order to decide whether to put it into the mouth, was in itself punishable by death. (Gen. 3:3.) Eve's transgression was complete the moment she put her hand to the tree."

That was "brazen conduct" nearly 40 years ago.

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King v. J. J. Ross Transcript

by vienne in

many have looked for the complete transcript.

as far as i know, it does not exist, except perhaps in the wt archives.

extracts are here: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2022/09/the-ross-libel-trial-transcript.html.

Earnest

Thanks, Annie. I have been trying to find the transcript for years so while this is not complete it is much more than the limited quotes I have seen, often taken out of context. I do hope your uncle manages to get the missing issues of Spotlight on Russelism.

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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford

by LoveUniHateExams in

i was thinking a bit about this the other day.

ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.

some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....

Earnest

I earlier wrote that "the full transcript of the key hearing where Russell was cross-examined by George Staunton is not a matter of record", and that remains true. However vienne/Annie has provided a link to a partial transcript of the trial which may be of interest.