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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Jeffro, your case is well-presented but the destruction of Beth-Shean is not related to the destruction of Gath in 830.
  

  Archaeomagnetic results indicate that Beth-Shean was probably destroyed at the same time as Tevet VII and Rehov V, not Gath. The fact that Shoshenq depicted Rehov and Beth-Shean side by side as prisoners of war in his Triumphal Relief at Karnak (Egypt), shows they were both destroyed in his campaigns.

  When was that? None of those are historically dated chronological anchors in the study, but radiocarbon dating indicates Rehov V was destroyed by fire in the late tenth to early ninth century, possibly ca.900 BCE. Based on this dating, the study concludes:

  Archaeomagnetic dating of Beth-Shean shows that at a 95% confidence level the destruction occurred before ca. 880 BCE and at a 68% confidence level it occurred before ca. 900 BCE.
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  Review of Wallace's Grammar

  by Wonderment in

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  review of daniel b. wallace’s greek grammar.

  daniel b[aird] wallace is professor of new testament, and author of greek grammar beyond the basics, a work first published by zondervan corporation in 1996. his work has since become a standard work in the intermediate koine greek field and has been translated into half a dozen languages.

  it is said two-thirds of bible colleges today that teach the subject use the textbook.

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  Ha ha, Phizzy. You just cannot believe there are any real JW scholars. See his profile here.
  
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  Sexual abuse and Jehovah's witnesses- the gift that keep on giving

  by wannaexit in

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  there seems to be no end to the many jw's who sexually abused minors.

  here is another story:.

  https://www.inquirer.com/news/pa-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-assault-attorney-general-shapiro-20221027.html.

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  ThomasMore, I have seen no evidence that "they seek to shield pedophiles who might cut a deal with prosecutors by naming other pedos" or "WTC fears that they will rat others out and the bread crumbs will lead back to Bethel". I think that's ridiculous. The instructions in Shepherd the Flock of God, April 2022, 14.4 are :

  ... the congregation will not shield any perpetrator of [child sexual abuse] from the consequences of his sin. The congregation’s handling of an accusation of child sexual abuse is not intended to replace the secular authority’s handling of the matter. (Rom. 13:1-4) Therefore, the victim, her parents, or anyone else who reports such an allegation to the elders should be clearly informed that they have the right to report the matter to the secular authorities. Elders do not criticize anyone who chooses to make such a report.—Gal. 6:5

  Why are the elders not instructed to make such a report themselves? Sometimes they are, as they have to call the Legal Department when they learn of an accusation of child abuse. But when it is not required by law, there are other considerations. Note what the Report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (released in October 2022) said in its discussion on striking the balance in mandatory reporting (F.6.80-85) :

  85 In the delicate balance between the need to provide an individual child with confidential advice and support (whether medical, psychological, legal or social) and ensuring child sexual abuse is prevented, it is essential to recognise that there are some circumstances where privacy ought to be protected and some where prevention is paramount. One important example is in the context of consensual, non-abusive relationships between young people.
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  Sexual abuse and Jehovah's witnesses- the gift that keep on giving

  by wannaexit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there seems to be no end to the many jw's who sexually abused minors.

  here is another story:.

  https://www.inquirer.com/news/pa-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-assault-attorney-general-shapiro-20221027.html.

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  TonusOH : Victims are frequently forced to face their attacker without any concern for their own mental and emotional wellbeing, and possibly even without any supporters to help them through it.

  While that has been true in the past, it is not true now.
  

  Shepherd the Flock of God, April 2022, 14.18 "Child Abuse - Investigating Allegations"

  During the investigation process and during the judicial committee process, a victim of child sexual abuse is NEVER (my capitals) required to make her allegation in the presence of the alleged abuser. However, victims who are now adults may do so, if they wish. In addition, victims can be accompanied by a confidant of either gender when presenting their accusation to the elders. If a victim prefers, the accusation can be submitted in the form of a written statement. Generally, in the case of a victim who is a minor, elders should be able to obtain necessary information from the parents. In addition, sufficient evidence needed to establish wrongdoing on the part of an alleged abuser may already be available to the elders. In the exceptional event that the two elders believe it is necessary to speak with a minor who is a victim of child sexual abuse, the elders should first contact the Service Department
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  Sexual abuse and Jehovah's witnesses- the gift that keep on giving

  by wannaexit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there seems to be no end to the many jw's who sexually abused minors.

  here is another story:.

  https://www.inquirer.com/news/pa-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-assault-attorney-general-shapiro-20221027.html.

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  DarleneGatus : The way they won't allow consecutive victims to be counted as more than two witnesses causes further insult to victims

  Shepherd the Flock of God, April 2022, 12.40.2 "Evidence Establishing Wrongdoing - Eyewitnesses"

  If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident, the elders can consider their testimony. While such evidence is acceptable to establish guilt, it is preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence of wrongdoing.
  
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  Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

  by slimboyfat in

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  have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

  have you got any views on the information?

  i find it worrying at least.

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  The Telegraph (UK) reported on Saturday that a teenager died after deteriorating 'astonishingly' quickly when she suffered rare heart inflammation linked to the [Covid-19] virus.

  Samantha Holden, a consultant paediatric pathologist, gave a cause of death of acute myocarditis associated with Covid-19 infection.
  

  During the inquest, Ms Halliday asked Dr Nicholas Tarmey, a consultant in intensive care medicine at the Queen Alexandra Hospital who treated Jorja, whether her daughter would have suffered a less severe reaction to Covid if she had received the vaccination (the day she died she was due to have her coronavirus vaccine).

  Dr Tarmey said: "I really do not know as it's such an unusual situation. We know having a Covid jab reduces risk of severe complication, we think that it trains the immune system.

  "I suppose having a Covid jab might reduce the risk of these complications but I am extrapolating that from the benefits we know."
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Bear in mind that the Aramaean and Assyrian campaigns use different anchors to those used for the Babylonian campaigns. It's interesting (to me) what we can learn from those other anchors.

  The destruction of the town of Gath by the Aramaeans (2 Kings 12:18) is one such anchor. Both the archaeomagnetic direction and intensity from Gath show outstanding agreement with three other destruction layers: Tel Rehov Stratum IV, Horvat Tevet Level V, and Tel Zayit Level XIII. Thus, the archaeomagnetic results strongly support the synchronization of these three destructions with that of Gath, and suggest that they were also the result of the Aramean campaign(s) of Hazael.

  Lachish (in the time of Sennacherib) is another anchor. According to biblical and Assyrian sources (2 Kings 18–19; Isaiah 36–37; 2 Chronicles 32), many other Judean sites were destroyed during that Assyrian campaign but none are securely identified. The archaeomagnetic data from Tel Beersheba, Tel Zayit Level XI, and Tell Beit Mirsim argue for their destruction during the same military campaign.

  So, the archaeomagnetic data is excellent for establishing destruction events that happened at the same time as the anchor points, and is moderately good for establishing whether other military campaigns were earlier or later. It in itself tells us nothing about dates.
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

  1. social
  2. current

  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Jeffro : ... the method doesn’t establish the date of Jerusalem’s destruction. But I have also already pointed out that the method disproves Watch Tower Society chronology for earlier events in the Iron Age.

  Fisherman : What results does the magnetic dating method yield using 607 instead of 586? How does it falsify 607?
  

  It would be well worth reading the article before asserting that the method disproves Watch Tower Society chronology. It does not. It negates or supports hypotheses of contemporaneity. For example,

  The intensity results from Tel Malhata are slightly lower than those recorded in Lachish II [which was destroyed at the same time as Jerusalem]. This supports the hypothesis that in 586 BCE the Babylonian army was focused on Jerusalem and had no interest in going far south to the area of Malhata. It seems that after 586 BCE, when the Kingdom of Judah ceased to exist, the eastern and southern periphery of the kingdom collapsed, probably in a gradual process, and sites were destroyed, perhaps by the Edomites or other nomadic elements.

  In the above quotation, reference to 586 BCE is based on the presumption that the destruction of Jerusalem happened on that date. But what if Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE?

  The geomagnetic field data have nothing to say about that. All it tells us is whether other cities that were burned down in military campaigns had the same geomagnetic field data (which suggests it occurred during the same military campaign). It could also suggest whether other Babylonian campaigns were earlier or later based on a probability distribution of ages. So, if Jerusalem (and Lachish) was destroyed in 607 BCE then the probability distribution curve for the Babylonian military campaigns would be shifted by 20 years.

  What about the other evidence which cause the vast majority of researchers to accept 586 BCE? That has been discussed endlessly elsewhere on this forum and I don't think it has changed the view of the protagonists on either side. But if we are to simply discuss the use of geomagnetic field data and not indulge in the childish sport of always having the last word, it is clear that this method does not in itself falsify 607.
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

  1. social
  2. current

  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Jeffro : “70-100” suggest an error margin of plus/minus 15 years...

  Yes, you're right. I had a mathematical blind spot. Sorry about that.

  Jeffro : But it’s not clear why you would say the base date used is irrelevant though.

  You earlier wrote that the initial assertion that the geomagnetic dating method 'confirms 586' was a misrepresentation of the source material. I agree. That is what I meant in saying that geomagnetic dating is irrelevant in determining the base date. The base dates are not calculated using geomagnetic dating, but are accepted as reliable by most scholars using other criteria.
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

  1. social
  2. current

  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Jeffro : Also note that the range of "70-100" years indicates a margin of error that renders inconsequential the selection of 586 instead of 587 for the fall of Jerusalem for their purposes.

  That margin of error also renders inconsequential the selection of 586/587 instead of 607! However, the date of Jerusalem's destruction is irrelevant to geomagnetic dating as it is used as an anchor as the majority of scholars accept the date 586 as reliable.