Posts by Earnest

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"Outside the realms" of the words meaning?

by Blotty in

i was recently doing some research and came across this curious quite from dr beduhn - i can't say how valid it is or if he actually said it (source linked).

but this got me thinking i don't think there is anything in any bible where it is a "deliberate" distortion or the words go against the "possible range of meanings the greek" could have.

i know beduhn is not considered an authority however he does have a point - if its in the range of meanings it is by no means a mistranslation & cannot be pointed out as such.

Earnest

Thayers Greek Lexicon on phobos :

2. reverence, respect (for authority, rank, dignity): Romans 13:7; 1 Peter 2:18; 1 Peter 3:16 (15); ἡ ἐν φόβῳ ἀναστροφή, behavior coupled with (cf. ἐν, I. 5 e.) reverence for one's husband, 1 Peter 3:2; φόβος with a genitive of the object: τοῦ κυρίου, Acts 9:31; 2 Corinthians 5:11; Χριστοῦ, Ephesians 5:21 (not Rec.); Θεοῦ, Romans 3:18; 2 Corinthians 7:1; (Ephesians 5:21 Rec.); Θεοῦ is omitted as suggested by the context, 1 Peter 1:17; (often in the O. T. יְהוָה יִרְאַת and אֱלֹהִים יִרְאַת). (Synonyms: see δειλία, δέος, at the end; cf. φοβέω.)

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"My book of bible stories" is child abuse!!

by Witness 007 in

i once gave this book to a woman with kids at the door...to my shock my next visit she gave it back saying it was discusting and full of violence and sex!

this book was clearly written by some bethel loser with no kids.

i don't understand why witnesses don't have a separate kids school..

Earnest

The Bible is full of stories about violence and sex. Obviously your HH hadn't read her Bible.

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onacruise - Craig Mills 1952-2011

by Lady Lee in

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i was given the link to a bit of information regarding on old poster/moderator of this forum.

i was not sure of the validity of the information so have been trying to find out if it is true.. earlier today craig's estranged wife, kate, (bikerchic) confirmed that craig died at his home on aug 10, 2011.. i am sure that many people here remember craig's time here and how he went out of his way to offer support to posters, even calling them, to give whatever help he could as they adjusted to their post-jw lives.. i know many people here will grieve his loss.. --------------.

ps i tried posting this earlier but the computer i was working with would not allow the posts.

Earnest

August 10.

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Where can old publications be downloaded?

by MattFriend in

hi folks:.

sorry if this is not the correct sub-forum to ask this.

i would like to download some of the old jw books (to compare doctrinal changes over time, etc.).

Earnest

Watchtower Online Library - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/h/r1/lp-e

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Tried unwitnessing at LDS carts today

by joe134cd in

i was walking through a market today, and spotted lds cart witnessing.

so i thought, what the hell, i’ll give him a go.

i focused on the character of joe smith.

Earnest

Fisherman : With polygamy accepted in their religion the men can’t get into too much sexual problems which is the main reason JW are df.

The practice of polygamy is strictly prohibited in the Church, as it has been for over 120 years. In a statement on polygamy they say that "if any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose".

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KGB infiltrated the Borg

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

we from the old year books that some kgb undercover agents became elders in high up positions.. i wonder if this is going on today?

not just in russia but other congregations around the world?.

when you think how long it takes to become an elder and all the talks and maybe judicial committees they were involved with.. anyway i’m just throwing it out there if someone wanted to pay me i am a current elder who is pima about intelligence or chance involved with the origin of the universe.. .

Earnest

In the 1950s, the Ukrainian secret police launched several secret operations that targeted Jehovah’s Witness leadership and aimed to disclose Witness clandestine groups and their system of communication. The agent network was believed to be the main weapon in the fight against the religious dissent. There were about 200 agents and informers working in the Witness underground in the mid-1950s in western Ukraine. Most of them were recruited from within the Witness organization, many had tragic experiences with their close families imprisoned or exiled. Some of them had been and would be (after their service with the security police) arrested and tried. All of them were recruited by straightforward blackmail. However, as some historical accounts reveal, Witnesses were aware of agent infiltration and KGB surveillance and knew names of many agents and informers. They were also aware of some secret operations carried out against them. While being shadowed by the secret police, they shadowed KGB officers too. Counter-infiltration was another pattern of their everyday resistance. Some believers intentionally entered the informers’ network or were chosen to become collaborators by their own congregations. Appointed agents delivered partial or less sensitive information in exchange for getting to know KGB plans and operations. Other believers wrote fake denunciations to mislead the secret police.

The full account can be read here.

The 2002 Yearbook p. 192-193 also discusses this :

During the mid-1950’s, the security services discontinued immediate arrests of all active and responsible brothers and began to spy on them. These brothers were regularly called to the offices of the security services. They were told that they would receive money and enjoy a good career if they cooperated. Refusal to cooperate would lead to imprisonment and humiliation. A few, lacking faith in God, compromised on account of fear or greed. They remained in the ranks of the organization, informing the security services about the activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Also, they obediently carried out instructions from the authorities, causing innocent brothers to appear as traitors in the eyes of other faithful brothers. All of this promoted a spirit of distrust among many of the brothers.

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JW current stance on Vaccines?

by lcarter017 in

it came to my attention that the covid-19 vaccine works by editing the genetic code of the mitochondrial dna, using gene therapy.. you should seriously question the moral implications of allowing a part of your dna to be modified.

does anyone have any concerns about this?if anyone has any questions, i can do my best to explain.

i personally find it very suspicious how they chose to word it, and conveniently inform us of this fact "after" people have taken the vaccine..

Earnest

Anony Mous : mRNA and some other vaccines are developed however with the assistance of aborted babies’ stem cells, which (strict) Catholics ... won’t accept...

"All vaccinations recognised as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience with the certain knowledge that the use of such vaccines does not constitute formal co-operation with the abortion from which the cells used in production of the vaccines derive," the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith announced in a statement on Monday, 21 December 2020.

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"How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

by BoogerMan in

simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

Earnest

slimboyfat : That “short period” [between the Devil being cast down and Harmageddon] is now well over 100 years and counting,

Now that we know it is not limited to a generation in the normal sense of the term, it can effectively be any length of time. In Revelation 1:1 it refers to a revelation given to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. Quite possibly some parts of Revelation were fulfilled in the first century (if, indeed, Revelation was written that early), but shortly can obviously be stretched for as long as you need to.

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An interesting book

by joao in

can anyone tell me the reason why jw.org has never mentioned this book: the obedience of a christian man, by william tyndale?

i mean, they talk and write articles about his translation of the bible, about him being against the pope, etc.

so, why didn't i ever read or hear about this interesting book?.

Earnest

joao : In the end, that book was one of the reasons why the English church broke with the Vatican!

The reason the English church broke with the Vatican was because Henry VIII wanted to annul his marriage and marry Anne Boleyn, and the Pope refused.

Amongst other things, the book advocated the ideology that the King of a country was the head of that country's church, instead of the Vatican. Anne Boleyn owned a copy and asked Henry to read it, so no doubt the book influenced his justification in declaring himself to be head of the Church of England. But there is little doubt he would have broken with Rome anyway.

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An interesting book

by joao in

can anyone tell me the reason why jw.org has never mentioned this book: the obedience of a christian man, by william tyndale?

i mean, they talk and write articles about his translation of the bible, about him being against the pope, etc.

so, why didn't i ever read or hear about this interesting book?.

Earnest

The Watchtower of 15 November 1995 has an article William Tyndale - a Man of Vision in which it refers to The Obedience of a Christian Man :

Between 1526 and 1528, Tyndale moved to Antwerp, where he could feel safe among the English merchants. There he wrote The Parable of the Wicked Mammon, The Obedience of a Christian Man, and The Practice of Prelates. Tyndale continued his translating work and was the first to use God’s name, Jehovah, in an English translation of the Hebrew Scriptures.