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Why do they want to kill all the White People?

by liam in

the hatred against whites is escalating to an unprecedented degree.

in south africa, they are calling for complete genocide of white people.

for some reason they are targeting all the white farmers.. i’m so glad trump noticed.

Earnest

Anony Mous : That is what the law said, there was no provision for expropriation, land could not be transferred to blacks, but could also not be forcibly transferred to the state.

Of course there were provisions for expropriation, e.g. Expropriation Act 1975. But the apartheid state didn't need to expropriate land, they just declared it a white group area and all other races had to move.

Anony Mous : It displaced primarily poor people that had moved to the cities

It displaced everyone who was not white - poor, middle-class or wealthy.

Anony Mous : The law you quoted that is being implemented shows clearly that equity (aka DEI or perceived race benefit) is the measure, not land value

The law says that the amount of compensation must reflect relevant circumstances including (Section 25 (3)) :

(a) the current use of the property;
(b) the history of the acquisition and use of the property;
(c) the market value of the property;
(d) the extent of direct state investment and subsidy in the acquisition and
beneficial capital improvement of the property; and
(e) the purpose of the expropriation

Anony Mous : Reparations are always bad...

Why?

Anony Mous : It also doesn’t justify the slaughter and rape which has been independently verified to be on the order of a genocide and of that you can actually find evidence.

It didn't occur to me that the reason the South African government is accused of genocide is because of the current situation in Gaza and their "temerity to call out genocide when they saw it". Quite so. There is a lot of crime in South Africa which is why many have left and why farmers have been targeted as they are perceived as being wealthy and isolated i.e. easy prey. But to speak of genocide as if deaths are authorised by the government, as they are in Gaza, is simply self-serving nonsense.

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Why do they want to kill all the White People?

by liam in

the hatred against whites is escalating to an unprecedented degree.

in south africa, they are calling for complete genocide of white people.

for some reason they are targeting all the white farmers.. i’m so glad trump noticed.

Earnest

Anony Mous : under Apartheid no property was ever seized

Where do I start? The National Party (which championed apartheid) was elected in 1948. In 1950 they passed the Group Areas Act :

The GAA created the legal framework for varying levels of government to establish particular neighbourhoods as 'group areas', where only people of a particular race were able to reside. It displaced hundreds of thousands of people; breaking up families, friends, and communities. This was due in large part to the retroactive application of the law, meaning that once an area was declared a group area, the GAA had the power to demolish all the houses there and displace everyone who was not of the designated group.

I witnessed this myself when an area in my city was declared a white group area, and our servant who was Asian was forced to leave her home and live outside the city in accommodation and surroundings far inferior to what she had enjoyed. This affected hundreds of thousands of people. Most cities were declared white group areas, so everyone other than the whites were forced to move outside the cities.

Anony Mous : under ANC it is, as you said with minimal to no compensation for “sins” supposedly committed 300 years ago

(a) that's not what I said

(b) as I explained above, the land which is being returned was primarily seized in my lifetime, since the Group Areas Act was passed in 1950, not 300 years ago.

The Expropriation Act 13 of 2024 makes clear that compensation for land expropriated should be fair and equitable. Section 25 (2) and (3) hold :

(2) Property may be expropriated only in terms of law of general application—
(a) for a public purpose or in the public interest; and
(b) subject to compensation, the amount of which and the time and manner of payment of which have either been agreed to by those affected or decided or approved by a court.
(3) The amount of the compensation and the time and manner of payment must be just and equitable, reflecting an equitable balance between the public interest and the interests of those affected, having regard to all relevant circumstances ...

I did say "There is a recent law which allows for a small number of exceptions where compensation is not paid and that is usually when a farm or piece of land is not being used."

Chapter 5 Section 12 (3) of the same Act says :

(3) It may be just and equitable for nil compensation to be paid where land is expropriated in the public interest, having regard to all relevant circumstances, including but not limited to—
(a) where the land is not being used and the owner’s main purpose is not to develop the land or use it to generate income, but to benefit from appreciation of its market value;
(b) where an organ of state holds land that it is not using for its core functions and is not reasonably likely to require the land for its future activities in that regard, and the organ of state acquired the land for no consideration;
(c) notwithstanding registration of ownership in terms of the Deeds Registries Act, 1937 (Act No. 47 of 1937), where an owner has abandoned the land by failing to exercise control over it despite being reasonably capable of doing so;
(d) where the market value of the land is equivalent to, or less than, the present value of direct state investment or subsidy in the acquisition and beneficial capital improvement of the land.

I have provided a link to the law allowing expropriation with and without compensation. Please read what the law says rather than the hype aroused by media reports.

Anony Mous : The Afrikaner did not confiscate Xhosa lands.

See my discussion of the Group Areas Act above. The Nationalist government (not all Afrikaners supported the government e.g. Jan Smuts) confiscated land where blacks were living, regardless of their tribe, if it was declared a white group area. Your reference to "Xhosa lands" is like referring to "Afrikaner lands" and restricting that to the area where the Dutch first settled, in the Cape.

Anony Mous : The ANC represents mostly tribes from the Zulu nation that came from the North

False. While the ANC consists of blacks from many tribes including Zulu, the Zulu nation was largely represented by the Inkatha Freedom Party led by Mangosuthu Buthelezi.

Anony Mous : Anti-Apartheid basically was a ploy to get cheap land and labor.

What do you think the policy of apartheid was? I am lost for words by this 'Alice in Wonderland' reversal of the truth.

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Is there a new rule regarding disfellowshipped people?

by HOTB in

does anyone have any information about a relaxing of the rules regarding family reaching out to disfellowshipped members?.

i've heard of an elder being openly in touch with a long time disfellowshipped family member.

apparently the term 'compassionate view' had been bandied about.. i can't find anything relating to this.. i'd be interested what the new rule is in when came into play.. hotb .

Earnest

jhine : So you can only be " removed" for 90 days?

In the 2024 Governing Body Update #2 changes in the disfellowshipping arrangement were outlined. Amongst those changes it was said (@ 10:00) that when someone is disfellowshipped/removed it would be explained to them that the committee would like to meet with the individual "after a few months" to see if s/he has had a change of heart. This is repeated in the August 2024 Watchtower study article, para.6. However, in the March 2024 document "Adjustments to Handling Serious Wrongdoing" it was more specific. It said (para.15) :

If the individual is not an apostate or actively promoting wrongdoing, [the elders] will also inform him that they would like to meet with him again in three months to determine if he has had a change of heart. In some cases, but not all, the committee may determine that there is a basis for reinstating the individual at that time. On the other hand, if he has not had a change of heart or if additional time is needed (see the special caution in paragraph 16), the elders will endeavor to reach out to him every six months if he is agreeable, unless he requests reinstatement before that time.

So, essentially, you are removed from the congregation until such time as you are repentant. It can be as short as three months, it can be a lifetime.

Paragraph 16 : Although a repentant individual should be reinstated without delay, such sins as child abuse, apostasy, and scheming to end a marriage require special caution. (2 Pet. 2:9, 10).

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Why do they want to kill all the White People?

by liam in

the hatred against whites is escalating to an unprecedented degree.

in south africa, they are calling for complete genocide of white people.

for some reason they are targeting all the white farmers.. i’m so glad trump noticed.

Earnest

Anony Mous : since the early 1960s to 1993 about 19,000 cases of human rights abuses have been documented.

After the end of apartheid, Nelson Mandela set up the Truth and Reconciliation Commission chaired by Desmond Tutu. They found that there were more than 19,000 people who had been victims of human rights violations. But the great majority of these violations had been committed by the state, including 73 deaths in detention by the security police.

Anony Mous : Since Mandela rose to power ... more than 82,000 white farmers have been dispossessed of their property under communist laws against property holdings.

That is simply not true. There has been an attempt to restore land that was illegally seized under apartheid laws, but it is necessary for the claimants to prove that the land was originally theirs, and the state has to pay compensation for improvements made to the land in the interim. There is a recent law which allows for a small number of exceptions where compensation is not paid and that is usually when a farm or piece of land is not being used. Even so, any seizure of land has to go through the courts. Your emotional use of words like "dispossessed" and "communist laws" do not reflect reality. You say your claims are well-documented but provide no documentation.

And as for your stock photo of someone with a sign "Kill All Whites", while I don't know the circumstances when that was taken I do know that today he would be charged with a hate crime.

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Why do they want to kill all the White People?

by liam in

the hatred against whites is escalating to an unprecedented degree.

in south africa, they are calling for complete genocide of white people.

for some reason they are targeting all the white farmers.. i’m so glad trump noticed.

Earnest

hoser : The violence is real but possibly not politically motivated

Yes. I have friends who moved to New Zealand for the same reason. I wouldn't describe South Africa as a safe place to live, and when there was a civil war going on the attacks on farms were political. But apartheid ended more than thirty years ago. By and large, South Africans of all hues get along well together. The rainbow nation. But violent crime and corruption remain a problem with no easy solution in sight.

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Why do they want to kill all the White People?

by liam in

the hatred against whites is escalating to an unprecedented degree.

in south africa, they are calling for complete genocide of white people.

for some reason they are targeting all the white farmers.. i’m so glad trump noticed.

Earnest

Anony Mous : From a pure historical perspective the whites are the natives,

The whites were never the native population. They primarily came from Holland and Britain, but there were others living there when they arrived who are commonly known as the San and the Khoisan.

Anony Mous : the ANC is a party of tribes that started invading about 200 years ago, after the white population had already settled.

There are whites in the ANC as well as blacks. It is a political party, not a race. Further, certain black tribes had already moved into areas east of the Kei river when the whites arrived, and so it was the whites invading areas east of the Kei river after the black population had settled there.

Anony Mous : People seem to forget that Mandela went to prison for killing white and black farmers,

Mandela went to prison for treason, not for killing white and black farmers.

hoser : Seems like it’s just a violent place to be.

It has had a violent history with a lot of wrongs committed by both black and white. But what attacks there have been on farmers have been crime-based rather than political. They are easy targets because they are isolated and have property. The notion that there is a politically motivated genocide of white farmers is something no South African believes except those who want a ticket to the United States.

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Is the Governing Body hunting down PIMOs? LEAKED survey for select congregations in Canada

by liam in

it seems like the organization is hunting down pimos.

maybe the mark o donnell lawsuit is just the beginning.. this leaked survey in canada is asking some very weird questions from select publishers.

all i can say is that this will help wake up some pimi straddling the fence.

Earnest

This survey seems to be quite extensive as a number of congregations have been invited to take part in South Africa as well.

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The pope's cousin is a JW

by loosie in

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sorry i can't get the file attachment to work

Earnest

+ : Wobei die Cousine die Zeugin Jehovas war, 2013 verstarb (siehe das Foto mit dem Grabstein).

Good point. So it was not referring to Steffie Brzakovic .

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The pope's cousin is a JW

by loosie in

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sorry i can't get the file attachment to work

Earnest

Thanks for these references, +. It does put a slightly different complexion on things.

An English translation of the Zeit Online report of 1 June 2023 reads :

Cousin of Benedict XVI apparently rejects inheritance because of lawsuit

Not much is known about Benedict XVI's estate – only that a civil lawsuit is part of it. According to a report, a cousin therefore does not want to accept the inheritance.

According to media reports, a cousin of the late Pope Benedict XVI will not accept the inheritance because of a claim for damages against the former head of the church. This is reported by Correctiv and Bayerischer Rundfunk, citing the cousin's daughter, who represents her mother because of her advanced age.

According to the daughter, the former private secretary of the late Pope, Georg Gänswein, had written to her mother in April and introduced himself as Ratzinger's "executor". Gänswein had written in the letter, which BR and Correctiv have obtained, that Ratzinger had "not named a personal heir". Therefore, according to the "Vatican-Italian succession regulation, the closest relatives" would come into question as heirs.

The clergyman wrote to the cousin that she would co-inherit the pending civil lawsuit against Ratzinger if she accepted the inheritance. How high Ratzinger's inheritance is and how many heirs share it, Gänswein reportedly did not write.

Lawsuit against four defendants

The background is a civil lawsuit by an abuse victim against the alleged perpetrator and representatives of the Catholic Church. This so-called declaratory action is directed against four defendants: the repeat offender Priest H., the archdiocese and the former archbishops Cardinal Friedrich Wetter and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

After the death of the Pope Emeritus, however, the proceedings against him are suspended until it is clear who will succeed him. The Traunstein Regional Court had postponed a first hearing date in March because no heirs of Ratzinger had been identified by then.

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bomb for jehova italy

by andr in

italy meets another bomb in front of the kingdom hall, after having caused a scandal on tv, now it is also dangerous to go to the hall.

here is the image of the press release.

Earnest

Balaamsass2 : What was the scandal?

A journalist of the Italian Mediaset program, Zona Bianca, had visited the same Kingdom Hall with a hidden camera and included her report on national television during one of six episodes of their "Investigation into the World of Jehovah's Witnesses" in February and March this year. It may have been the program of 16 March to which the branch office refers. There was a thread on these programs in February.