Wow undisfellowshipped that's a lot of valuable research. I'm going to print it out and share bit bit with my other half.
Thanku very much.
bernadette
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JW's and John 5:23
by UnDisfellowshipped inhas anyone on this board ever used john 5:23 when talking to jw's?.
unfortunately, one of my friends is currently in a "bible" study with the jw's (and has been since last year).
i asked my friend to ask the jw what john 5:23 means, so my friend did ask the jw who was conducting the "bible" study.
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-26-06 WT Review (Honorable Weddings)
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 11-26-06 wt study (october 15, 2006, pages 18-23)(honorable weddings).
review comments will be in red.
quotes from other sources will be in quotes boxes.
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bernadette
Did anyone of you get married at a KH? What were your experiences like? No KH for me…I love an outdoor wedding. The JWs in this area assume you must have sinned sexually and couldn’t have it at the KH.
I remeber when we were courting we had a lot of pressure to court for 6 months and get married within a year. Then we were told about the privileges of having the wedding at the hall and how that would give us a clean start to married life.
Right through our courtship every week my husband to be was asked 'when are going to get engaged, have you bought the ring yet. He was a poor pioneer and could not afford a ring. The elder gave him the money so that he could go and get one and do it quickly. Then once we'd got engaged the pressure was on to set the date and remember stay 'clean' so u can have your wedding at the hall! Courtship itself was made to feel unclean
In our area it still matters whether one has the wedding at the hall or not.
Bernadette
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my cat died today... i need consoling...
by theinfamousone inthis is the guy that sat on my razor blades the one time i was thinking of cutting myself... this is the guy that everytime my dad beat me, would come to my room and lay with me... this is the guy that one time jumped into the bathtub with me while i was crying after a brutal beating, the cat hated water... this is a cat that was more family to me than my own father and mother combined... this was my best friend... .
today i had to do the hardest thing i ever did, i had to choose to have him put down... and as he fought the vet, and tried to bite her, i put my hand on his head, and he stopped struggling... and as they put the last needle into his leg, he purred until he died... the vet says she has never seen that before... this was my best friend and i had to kill him... fuck, im a baby, but i miss him soooo much.
the infamous one.
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bernadette
Cats have a sixth sense. Your cat loved u with all his being and you loved him your only friend - he knew. Sorry for your loss he has left you a legacy of love, comfort and courage
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Sorry, I need to vent for a moment...
by Abandoned innormally, i don't mind where i'm at in my life.
i'm forty, no kids, low-paying job, live in a trailer court, etc (and trust me there's more to the etc, then i've already mentioned), but today i had a hard time.. one of my best friends from high school was a big dope head (no offense to the dope heads out there).
he showed up nearly every day to our first period art class smelling of weed and was generally so whacked out of his mind that he got horrible grades.. he finally graduated - barely - and made it to college.
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bernadette
Abandoned you have a gift for poetry. When we did that poem together it was such a release for me. I remember saying to my daughter -she has chronic fatigue and depression through slaving for the wts but is coming out of prison now - lets start putting our feelings down in verse, but we never got round to it. I'm gonna start today
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The Science of Belief
by LittleToe intime and again the refrain is heard that belief and science are mutually exclusive, that belief somehow corrupts good science, that belief is not empirical.
i'd like to throw another slant on that, if i may.. belief is an inherent part of the human psyche.
the desire to know more about our environment and how it all works is also an inherent part of our psyche.
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bernadette
Nark
thats an amazing website. Worth visiting
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Hi everyone
by unhappy ini just wanted to say hi to everyone.
i've recently decided to stop being a jw after being raised as one.
unhappy x. .
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bernadette
Hi and welcome. Its good to have you with us. Fading is the best way to leave
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Islam bashed by Witnesses
by Fleshybirdfodder ini was listening to talk radio the other day and they were discussing the muslims who were taken off an american airlines flight (i believe that was the airline) because they were praying publicly prior to the flight.
one of the individuals, an imam, who was on the flight was being interviewed and in the defense of what he called "moderate islam" proclaimed there is a movement against islam, and specifically mentioned jehovah's witnesses handing out a flyer where they directly misquote the koran to implicate all muslims in 9/11.
is this in the new "the end of false religion is near" tract?
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bernadette
found the article the asiaweek quote came from - its at asiaweek.com webfiles: war in the name of faith 11/14/01
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Islam bashed by Witnesses
by Fleshybirdfodder ini was listening to talk radio the other day and they were discussing the muslims who were taken off an american airlines flight (i believe that was the airline) because they were praying publicly prior to the flight.
one of the individuals, an imam, who was on the flight was being interviewed and in the defense of what he called "moderate islam" proclaimed there is a movement against islam, and specifically mentioned jehovah's witnesses handing out a flyer where they directly misquote the koran to implicate all muslims in 9/11.
is this in the new "the end of false religion is near" tract?
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bernadette
It may be to do with the quote from Asiaweek in the tract. There may be a ref in the Asiaweek article to the Koran. If that's the case maybe this is a lesson for the wts to stop making out of context quotes from other sources!
If I'm not mistaken the only JW tract that directly quotes from the Koran is the 'Road to Paradise' one.
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Women's Role
by loveneverfails inso as you can see this is my first post here...it's going to sound a bit jumbled i'm sure.. i stopped going to meetings exactly a year ago primarily due to my realization of my role as a "woman" (well i'm 22 but anyway..).
to me, being a jw woman means a life as a subserviant housewife who can make no decisions and can only excel by pioneering.
i realized that's the way the whole bible is...totally male-dominant.
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bernadette
Good for you. You have your whole life ahead of you. Seize the day
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The Science of Belief
by LittleToe intime and again the refrain is heard that belief and science are mutually exclusive, that belief somehow corrupts good science, that belief is not empirical.
i'd like to throw another slant on that, if i may.. belief is an inherent part of the human psyche.
the desire to know more about our environment and how it all works is also an inherent part of our psyche.
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bernadette
How is faith testable? Is personal experience of something intangible and open to numerous interpretations actually evidence? After all, if you give a person a hallucinogen that stimulates a certain area of their celebral cortex, they can have faith that they will fly. Is the 'testable' part of your statement the results of a drop from a thirty storey building? If so, surely this is not a test of faith but more a visceral experiment in the chemistry of brain function.
I am not sure that anything that cannot really be empirically tested could ever be descibed as 'reasonable'
Hillary
One thing I have learned is that faith/belief needs constant reality checks - internally and also in debate with others. It needs to be subjected to the utmost scrutiny. So far my faith has withstood the scrutiny I have subjected it too.
When faith becomes religion then in my opinion it sort of becomes set in stone and that is dangerous.
bernadette