Posts by *jeremiah*

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For those that think there are "subliminal images" in Watchtowers...

by AlmostAtheist in

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do you believe the watchtower organization is inserting them, or individuals are doing so on their own?.

having looked at the images that people have found and pointed out, i have to say that i don't think they are there at all.

just random patterns that happen to look like something familiar.

jeremiah

We have all seen something there. Most of us can agree that its the text that brainwashed us, not the art work. Yet, why is it there?

Options:

1. Satan, the father of the lie, created and is behind the Jehovah's Witness religion. The genius brainwashing techniques are not necessarily man's doing but Satan's work. The religion is obviously hiding who Jesus is, therefore it can be considered anti-christ. Now, the art work, perhaps it could be affecting a member subliminaly, ie., nightmares, supernatural occurences, etc. or could Satan be having fun, laughing at those he has duped. Could this be ego coming forward to show what he can get away with? In other words, he can push things and mock so far and the sheeple will still believe the LIE.

2. Charles Taze and his underlings created the Jehovah's Witness religion and applied their own intellect and knowledge of brainwashing techniques to indoctrinate members. Fast foward to the literature artwork:

a. The artists are bored and having fun purposely putting in extra images for their own enjoyment.

b. The artists aren't intentionally putting in the extra images, but the extra images just happen to accidentally show up.

What else?

I'm just trying to come up with different hypothesis as to why they are there.

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For those baptized as a JW/minor, how did you feel on your baptism day?

by Gopher in

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i was petrified that day.

i felt nervous and slightly sick that morning, so i couldn't even eat breakfast.. leading up to that baptism day ( i was only 16 ), i didn't want to tell anyone about it.

maybe because i came from a cold-hearted congregation where the other kids my age didn't like me (i was too serious), i didn't want anyone else to know.. i felt relief after the dunking was finally over.

jeremiah

I remember wanting to feel something spiritual, ethereal, or genuine and all i felt was nervous and self-righteous. 'Yes, I am good now,...Jehovah loves me.'

I especially remember the alarm clock my mom gave to me as a present when I got baptised because I still use it to this day. Little did she know that alarm clock would be waking up an apostate for 14 yrs now.

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What Will The Future Bring? ......fishy?

by *jeremiah* in

this is an excerpt out of (i believe) the new awake article: (i saw it online).

what will the future bring?

where is the world heading?.

jeremiah

WayOut and Comp,

The Org is "living" a double life

Most definitely. So keep me up to date on your studies, findings, etc, in regards to these issues. If you don't mind that is.

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What or Who do JW's think that the "Anti-Christ" is? Dec Watchtower is conf

by booker-t in

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i recently read the spanish edition of the december watchtower on the anti-christ and i am still confused as to what jw's believe the anti-christ is.

i know they believe that the churches of christendom are part of it but the december watchtower did not specifically state so.

also what do jw's believe is the mark of the beast and the 666. i never really got a definite explanation on this even when i was a jw's.

jeremiah

I was very curious about this too awhile back. I checked out the Revelation book, and I might be wrong, but I only found one paragraph on the subject.

It basically said what alwayshere stated from the insight book:

an Anti-Christ is all of the churches, Apostates, and Kingdoms,Nations and organizations. So everyone is an Anti-christ but the JWs.

One thing I thought was funny though, was, after it mentioned who the anti-christ is, it went on about how this anti-christ "system" will force true christians to celebrate holidays. HA!

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Is there ANY doctrines of the JWS that you appreciate?

by new boy in

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many remarks seem to in indicate they have no redeeming believes......................i can't agree.. i appreciate lots a things about the way i was raised.. 1. pacifism, nonviolence.

sad even though i was a pacifist, my god jehovah was an angry pissed off god who one day wants to kill most everyone...............guess he (her) needs to practice what he (her) preaches.........anyway i'm so happy that they taught me something even their god is having a hard time with!.

2.and most important......................................well i can't remember right now......but when it comes to me, i'll let you know.. newboy.

jeremiah

I'm happy about the skills I learned from walking the mics. Those skills have really crossed over into the real world.

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What Will The Future Bring? ......fishy?

by *jeremiah* in

this is an excerpt out of (i believe) the new awake article: (i saw it online).

what will the future bring?

where is the world heading?.

jeremiah

I agree, the fall will be more of a metamorphosis into more mainstream religion. New light I'm sure will aid the transformation. The "mainstream" at that time, i think, will be a one world religion, like, as you alluded to, the Catholic Church is spearheading.

The whole grandiose goal of the new world order is to eventually have a man-made paradise earth. An earthly kingdom, if you will. A global society free of overpopulation, disease, war, famine, corruption, borders, nationalism, homelessness, etc.etc. Anyways the laundry list goes on and on. Yet, my point is that the WT constantly teaches, you know, an end to this and an end to that, very similar things that the global agenda is working towards.

I think were on the same page WayOut, and the future direction of the WT literature should be an interesting one to watch.

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What Will The Future Bring? ......fishy?

by *jeremiah* in

this is an excerpt out of (i believe) the new awake article: (i saw it online).

what will the future bring?

where is the world heading?.

jeremiah

There's nothing wrong with getting deep WayOut,...i don't mind.

Ok. So there's definitely a trend in our world towards "global governance" or a new world order right? I mean, i think it's pretty obvious. I also see a trend towards uniting religions or a more pc term is interfaithism or ecumenism. Its also pretty obvious that this is going on too. For example, the other day the Pope went into a prominant mosque in Turkey and not only prayed inside of it, but bowed toward the east as Muslim tradition holds.

Personally, i have a theory that the GB is completley aware of the world scene and are part of this world more than any of us know, while at the same time, keeping their members thinking something else. After all, they don't want to compromise the bottom line of their corporation just yet. In the mean time they might be integrating the members thoughts toward accepting, one day, accepting this new world order and new world religion.

Anyways, in a nutshell, thats what i think.

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What Will The Future Bring? ......fishy?

by *jeremiah* in

this is an excerpt out of (i believe) the new awake article: (i saw it online).

what will the future bring?

where is the world heading?.

jeremiah

Thanks OnTheWayOut,

So, I have to ask u since u are still on the inside. If they were secretly promoting UN agenda, was this put subtley in their literature?

Also, if (i have my own thoughts on this) the globalists have their way and form a "new world order", and the world becomes a more peaceful place where many of the world's problems are conquered (the problems that the WT$ always talks about), do you think the WT$ will accept it and become part of it?

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What Will The Future Bring? ......fishy?

by *jeremiah* in

this is an excerpt out of (i believe) the new awake article: (i saw it online).

what will the future bring?

where is the world heading?.

jeremiah

thanks, and sorry betterdaze,

I must have been typing when u posted, that is why my post is after yours.

Thats what i was after.

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What Will The Future Bring? ......fishy?

by *jeremiah* in

this is an excerpt out of (i believe) the new awake article: (i saw it online).

what will the future bring?

where is the world heading?.

jeremiah

Thanks OnTheWayOut,

I understand what you're saying and totally agree with you,...the WTS wants to keep dates in member minds, etc.

However, that sentence in the article is referring to a date set by "some (non-witnesses) people", probably world leaders, the UN, globalists, or whoever, but I'm wondering who and why 2015. The WT's vagueness is sooooo iritating. They seem to make statements a lot without properly crediting the information.

I was wondering if anyone has read any news or mag articles referring to some kind of globalist agenda and the date 2015.