Posts by nonamegiven

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Like a Distant, Abusive Parent

by metatron in

i think the saddest aspect of being a jehovah's witness in 2006 concerns the increasingly distant relationship that the watchtower.

hierarchy have developed - and how witnesses react to it.. have you ever known a parent who had little or no love for their children?

and how the children sometimes seem all the more drawn to.

nonamegiven

"but somehow Witnesses keep dragging themselves along in loyalty to a group of men that regards them with silent contempt."

Not all of us, thank God.

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Wow!

by Terry in

hguoht neve otatop yllaer gninettaf i era evol spihc yeht.. the box above contains a whole.. the box on top contains no "meaning" as is.

it must be rearranged to fit our commonly agreed standards.. if we do take the whole of it and rearrange the structure without dropping any of the molecules (word forms) a thought can be communicated.. 1.wholeness, in and of itself, is not useful when communication according to a standard is sought.. 2.in order to pull data out of a whole structure (such as the top box) we must isolate the elements and rearrange them.

if we find a pattern we must further apply standards of logic in order to derrive sense.. 3. the wow!

nonamegiven

Dude, that takes thought or sumthin. I'm not worthy.

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What was your final straw that broke your back in terms of doctrine?

by ukescott in

as ex-mormon, my exposure to a different version of the first vision story which was quite different from the offical first vision was my beginning way out of mormonism.

what about you ex-jw's?

what, in terms of wt doctrine, made you realize that the wt is a fraud?.

nonamegiven

I had doubts most of my life. I was a good little lemming and dismissed them. The last straw was when my son died the utter lack of love my family and I received. The utter lack of love was topped off my an elder that told me that even though my sons death was terrible, "at least you can wait 'till the new system to have kids. That's what the bible says" or something like that. It's only now that I'm finding about the other stuff.

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Where to start?

by nonamegiven in

i was df'd about 2 months ago and decided to take this time to explore the teachings i have spent my life spewing to others.

well, it took very little time to discover it was a bunch of crap.

i have learned about the lies and inconsistant teachings and what not.

nonamegiven

Hello all. I was DF'd about 2 months ago and decided to take this time to explore the teachings I have spent my life spewing to others. Well, it took very little time to discover it was a bunch of crap. I have learned about the lies and inconsistant teachings and what not. I feel it's time for me to stop looking for falacies in the JW religion and start really looking for the truth about what's inthe bible. My question to you all is, where do I find it? I don't know what bible I should read, who I should believe or where I should look to for answers. I have prayed long and hard for help from God (who ever that is) but I think I lack trust. I am reluctant to listen to friends because I don't trust religions or men anymore but a search for the truth about what's in the bible kinda has to start with the bible and I think I need to start trusting.

What bible to you read?

Where do (did) you look for answers?

Any suggestions?

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A question for Jehovah's Witnesses. Please answer.

by rassillon in

i am still in good standing so you must be truthful with me no spiritual warfare with me.. it is almost an automatic response that it is not fair to bring up old literature and old teachings when questioning the wt authority and stand.. i present that since the wt still uses references to early years and bases their authority and choseness on events that happend in those early years and the justification is the differences in what they taught and what nominal christianity taught.

based on these facts and the fact that if you disprove their claims to be chosen at that time they have no basis for authority or claiming a chosen status.. do you still agree that it is not fair to discuss this old literature?.

if you answer yes, when were they chosen by god and what proof do you have for that.

nonamegiven

Personally, I think it's crap that they don't want up to bring up anything, no matter how old. Remember, these words are supposed to be inspired by god so he can't be wrong. Plus, they do go back and quote older literature when it suits them. This was one of those "red flags" that I noticed at a relatively young age.

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When you left......

by nonamegiven in

what was your first indulgence?

mine is watching all those r-rated movies i missed out on.

man, i'm loving it!

nonamegiven

seatrout, I'm not clear on what happened and what you want to know. You can PM me or post here, I'd be glad to help.

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When you left......

by nonamegiven in

what was your first indulgence?

mine is watching all those r-rated movies i missed out on.

man, i'm loving it!

nonamegiven

What was your first indulgence? Mine is watching all those R-rated movies I missed out on. Man, I'm loving it! Oh that and doing something PRODUCTIVE on Saturday mornings.

Just a light hearted thought.

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Calling all elders and former elders (need advice)

by nonamegiven in

wow, i'm asking elders for advice, how strange.

anyway if you want to know my history and where i am look at my first 1/2 dozen or so posts, it'll bring you up to speed.

here's where i need advice.

nonamegiven

Lemme ask you all this. I travel quite a bit for work, the elders know this. How do you think this will effect my situation? I fully expected to be DF'd for a year, do you really think I should start sending in letters now?

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UN Scandal

by nonamegiven in

i would love some info on the un scandal of a few years back.

when it all happened i was still a lemming and did hear about it but quickly dismissed it bacuase those apostates will make up anything ;).

anyway, any info would be good but what i'd really like is proof of what the un needed for membership.

nonamegiven

Thanks, I'll check that out.

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Calling all elders and former elders (need advice)

by nonamegiven in

wow, i'm asking elders for advice, how strange.

anyway if you want to know my history and where i am look at my first 1/2 dozen or so posts, it'll bring you up to speed.

here's where i need advice.

nonamegiven

Wow, I'm asking Elders for advice, how strange. Anyway if you want to know my history and where I am look at my first 1/2 dozen or so posts, it'll bring you up to speed.

Here's where I need advice. My plan is to be reinstated within the next year or less but after that I just want to fade away. It won't be as simple as being reinstated then just fading since my wife and kids will be going and my wife is very devout. I know they will be calling on me to encourage me. I don't want to tell them I don't believe 90+% of what I've learned in the last 30 some-odd years because then I'll be an apostate and will loose contact with my family again, that's what I am trying very hard to preserve. Anyway, my question is this: how do I fade away? Do I claim depression (I do have depression and they know that), do I tell them I don't agree with DF'ing and it has stumbled me and maybe I'll return later (yeah right) or do I fake an alian abduction and tell them I have an anal probe that will explode if I go into a place of worship that doesn't have any windows?