Posts by NanaR

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Education Brochure?

by NanaR in

i finally downloaded the 2005 wt cd (thanks to link posted by vanilla mocha on another thread) from http://www.watchtower.cc .

for a while now, i have been wanting to find a copy of a publication that was issued in the early 1990s regarding education.. this publication (a brochure, i think) had the same title as a 1992 watchtower article that i found on the cd-rom - education and jehovah's witnesses.

however, my memory is that the brochure was more direct in actually encouraging witnesses to prepare themselves educationally for gainful employment (while i am sure it still had the required admonition to full-time service and supporting oneself in that endeavor).. "party line" was that pioneers needed to be able to earn a "living wage".

NanaR

Atlantis,

Thank you very much for the link. This was not, however, the document I was looking for.

A search on the WT cd for the term "postsecondary education" brings up only one "hit" -- a Watchtower article from November of 1992. This article appears to contain the information that I remember from the brochure (or tract, or whatever) published earlier that year.

All references to education beyond high school since then refer to "supplementary education". By 1994, this education was being "downplayed" (there was an Awake article in 1994 entitled "Put Education in its Place". The brochure you provided likewise "downplays" the need for supplementary education.

The current view is pretty much the same as the viewpoint when I was young -- Jehovah's day is NEAR -- no time to pursue worldly education.

And the newest book chides individuals who may feel that they "missed out" by not pursuing higher education that they should not set "materialistic" goals for their children.

I also noticed that the CD does not have the 1995 version of the brochure either, just a 2002 version. I didn't bother to look at that one.

Revisionist history -- the JWs have gotten SO skillful at it. They can manage to convince people that they don't remember what they really do remember, just by changing what they say about it.

Love this board!

NanaR

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THE BACK PEDDLING HAS ALREADY BEGUN......

by Mary in

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as i mentioned before in another thread, my dub aunt, along with several other witnesses, told me that they were specifically told that the governing body let it be known that tract work would trigger the beginning of the end by infuriating the other religions and somehow causing the governments to "turn on babylon the great".

this was supposed to start before the end of this year.

one thing i mentioned is that they were smart enough this time, not to put anything down in writing, but simply let it get around by "word of mouth".

NanaR

I wondered about comments on JWD about how the end was nearer than near until I started getting pressured by my JW family that the end was nearer than near

The special pioneer that came to my door with the tract wouldn't leave until I answered her as to whether I understood that the end is "upon us". I replied that I wasn't sure about that.

Funny thing, too. She took the tract with her (after I told her that someone had already left one in the door a week before).

So I guess no 2 per customer *hah*

Also, we had had NO visitors at our home for some time, then about the 1st of October I started finding literature in my door every single week (I'm not home very much *wink*).

So I believe the impetus was coming from above that "the end is near".

NanaR

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Education Brochure?

by NanaR in

i finally downloaded the 2005 wt cd (thanks to link posted by vanilla mocha on another thread) from http://www.watchtower.cc .

for a while now, i have been wanting to find a copy of a publication that was issued in the early 1990s regarding education.. this publication (a brochure, i think) had the same title as a 1992 watchtower article that i found on the cd-rom - education and jehovah's witnesses.

however, my memory is that the brochure was more direct in actually encouraging witnesses to prepare themselves educationally for gainful employment (while i am sure it still had the required admonition to full-time service and supporting oneself in that endeavor).. "party line" was that pioneers needed to be able to earn a "living wage".

NanaR

Hello all,

I finally downloaded the 2005 WT CD (thanks to link posted by Vanilla Mocha on another thread) from http://www.watchtower.cc . For a while now, I have been wanting to find a copy of a publication that was issued in the early 1990s regarding education.

This publication (a brochure, I think) had the same title as a 1992 Watchtower article that I found on the cd-rom - Education and Jehovah's Witnesses. However, my memory is that the brochure was more direct in actually encouraging Witnesses to prepare themselves educationally for gainful employment (while I am sure it still had the required admonition to full-time service and supporting oneself in that endeavor).

"Party line" was that pioneers needed to be able to earn a "living wage". "Scuttle butt" was that the Society needed computer and tech-competent Bethelites and had very few because, of course, postsecondary education had been virtually forbidden (in reality -- whether in print or not I'm not certain) up until that time.

What I remember very clearly was that I became exceedingly angry when this brochure came out, for the following reasons:

1) I was very resentful that my young opportunity to attend college had been nixed due to the WTS policy at that time (1970).

2) I was upset that my children now had permission to attend college, but no means to do so BECAUSE WE HAD NOT PREPARED FOR THIS due to the WTS policy up to that time.

Anyway, if anyone has a copy of the brochure I am mentioning (which DOES NOT appear on the CD-ROM although the Watchtower article of the same name does), could you let me know? If there is any way I could purchase a copy or a scanned copy, I would really like to have this on file.

BTW, my husband started college in 1995 and I started in 1996. We both got 2 year college degrees; I am still working on my bachelor's degree but being over 50 and working full-time makes it slow going.

Thanks in advance!

Ruth aka NanaR

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WT letter advises JWs not to edit Wikipedia articles on JW subjects

by cabasilas in

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apparently, the watchtower society has recently issued formal advice that individual witnesses should not edit jw articles on wikipedia.

i occasionally edit some of the jw articles on wikipedia.

a couple of days ago i noticed a comment from one of the most respected jw editors to another jw editor on his personal talk page mentioning a letter from the wt society about editing on wikipedia.

NanaR

Apparently, the Watchtower Society has recently issued formal advice that individual Witnesses should not edit JW articles on Wikipedia.

cabasilas,

By barring approved JWs from editing the articles, they can tell the R & F that Wikipedia is an "apostate" resource, thereby thinking that said R & F will stop consulting it (and that they can tell people they meet in FS that the "enemies of JWs" put that information up). But of course we know that at least some of the R & F DO access apostate sites already, so their tactic is basically creating another apostate resource.

Also, it seems to me that at least some of these JW editors might have had legitimate questions and asked these questions of the WT hierarchy. A letter like this would serve as a warning that certain kinds of questions are unacceptable.

How sad that anyone would feel motivated to close down frank and open discussion!

But in view of the WT view of the internet, I'm surprised that this did not happen sooner.

NanaR

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Is there any literature that speaks of babies dying in "A"

by megsmomma in

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my step dad and i spoke of this and he says they believe that since children aren't able to make their own choice yet, they will survive the big "a".

i know for a fact that jw"s talk about kids being destroyed because they would just grow up like their parents.

is there anything that the society has said about this.. i would appreciate if anyone knows where to look..

NanaR

Get your CD-ROM download free here:
http://www.watchtower.cc/

VanillaMocha,

Thank you so much for posting that link!

NanaR

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I Couldn't Resist

by Poztate in

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i tried and tried and tried...but i could not resist.

i highlighted my wife's january 1 wt.. the comment highlighted..."could it then be reasoned that since jesus was enthroned in the fall of 1914,the resurection of his faithful annointed followers began three and a half years later, in the spring of 1918?.

that is an interesting possibility...although this can not be directly confirmed in the bible.... for 50 years this was fact and biblical...now they blow it off with one sentence....jw..lurkers take note..... they did this with the generation change in 1995 and the dubs are too stupid to notice the changes.. i am sure my wife will try to ignore the whole thing and not respond to it..

NanaR

Honesty,

Armageddon began in 1914.

Up until about 1969 or 1970, the JWs taught that the Great Tribulation STARTED in 1914, was cut short IN THE MIDDLE, and would conclude with Armageddon after the harvest was complete. I had to try to explain this nonsense for my whole young life. Notice this artcle in The Watchtower of March 15, 1951 (scanned in its entirety to verify context -- scroll to the right and look for the black circle and the highlighted text). This article was written about 18 months before I was born, I cut my teeth on this doctrine so to speak.

Hard for me to believe that I ever took this CRAP seriously.

NanaR

alt

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Need a scan of old Awake!

by Shepherd Book in

hi, i'm hoping someone can post a scan (or email me) of the december 22, 1951 article entitled "noah's passender list".

i believe it's on pages 14-16. this is for a huge research project i am doing.

the cd-rom doesn't go back that far.. i would really appreciate it.. thanks!.

NanaR

I have the Watchtower bound volume for 1951, but not the Awake. Sorry... NanaR

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What is your favorite classical music piece and artist?

by restrangled in

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since modern music keeps coming up, we need to address the classical!

what are your favorite pieces and the artists?

if you play an instrument, pick the piece that's your favorite to play or you wish you could play.. r.. my favorite is fantasy impromtu by chopin.

NanaR

Johann Pachelbel's Canon in D for violin.

My daughter used to play this a lot -- and I would sometimes accompany her on the piano.

The melody line is so beautiful it makes me want to cry.

She is trying to find someone to play this on the violin for her wedding.

NanaR

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Revelation Climax, page 52, Kindly Respond

by compound complex in

dear readers of revelation,.

i have been reminded that a simple question is more effective than an elaborate presentation.

i have become very careful about what i say and how much i say to most people.

NanaR

Don't forget the "lobster claw" right hand of ol' JC hisself!

Are you talking about this? alt It is not great art... NanaR

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What the Bible Teach book doesn't say...

by drew sagan in

in looking through the watchtowers most recent study publication 'what does the bible really teach' i noticed something that makes the book quite different from all other jw publications that have come before it.

all of the previous publications used to get 'interested ones' to become jehovah's witnesses made it perfectly clear who the faithful slave was.

this is a core teaching of the jws as all of us know.

NanaR

It seems to me that they have taken out all of this in order to make people think they are simply joining up because of true doctrines, not because it is Gods organization. It can be hard for people to buy into that idea right away, but given time they can get you in their trap. So now they don't even teach their fundamental doctrine and prophecy at all to the public! It instead remains somewhat 'hidden' only to be truly understood by somebody after they have made a deep emotional commitment to the religion.

It is certainly deceptive if not blatently dishonest. Also, the recatagorization of a number of things (voting, blood fractions, etc.) into "personal conscience" issues gives people on the "outside" the idea that JWs actually get to make choices based on personal conscience. IN REALITY, most of us have had the experience that it is the conscience of the local elder body that reigns -- NOT the conscience of the individual JW. For example, what if my conscience tells me I should vote, but then someone else in the congregation claims to be "stumbled" by it? The JC might not disfellowship me for VOTING specifically, but I believe they could DF me for "disregarding the counsel of older men" and "stumbling others". What the Watchtower giveth the Society taketh away...

I posted a lengthy topic a while ago regarding some of these points, but I haven't seen it appear yet. Oh well, never know with cyberspace, maybe my browser "ate" it LOL.

Very good point about the differences between the "Teach" book and the "Organization" book.

And then of course there are the two baptismal questions. Those have not been revised to remove the organization, have they?

NanaR