Nevada,
Thanks!! This will be SO helpful.
I'm in a dialogue with a friend about this issue.
When I read this convoluted reasoning, I am just amazed that I used to spew this stuff with regularity :-(
Pax,
Ruth
Posts by NanaR
-
7"secondary worship", obeisance, Jesus
by NanaR infriends:.
i have a question for the researchers here.
i tried to do a search, but the word "worship" brings up way too many posts to filter through.. i remember as a young jw being told that jws render "secondary worship" to jesus christ.
-
-
-
7
"secondary worship", obeisance, Jesus
by NanaR infriends:.
i have a question for the researchers here.
i tried to do a search, but the word "worship" brings up way too many posts to filter through.. i remember as a young jw being told that jws render "secondary worship" to jesus christ.
-
-
NanaR
Friends:
I have a question for the researchers here. I tried to do a search, but the word "worship" brings up way too many posts to filter through.
I remember as a young JW being told that JWs render "secondary worship" to Jesus Christ. The explanation of the difference between obeisance and worship entered into that conversation.
I have done a search on the WT CD but don't come up with that particular phrase. This makes me wonder if perhaps it was a description my father used himself rather than something directly stated in the literature.
Anyway, if any of you researchers know of a WT source that refers to the worship due to Jesus as "secondary worship" or a similar statement, I would appreciate citations (which I should then be able to track down in my electronic library).
I know the Society has said that Catholics call their use of images "relative worship", and I found that term, but not the term "secondary worship".
Help?
Ruth
-
140
Share one or two interesting things about you we probably didn't know
by Gopher inwe have such an interesting group of people from around the world on this board.
it might be interesting to have a thread where you discuss a hobby, something interesting that happened in the past, somewhere you've been, etc.. not deep, dark confessions - just interesting stuff.. .
* i have travelled into all 48 american states that are not named alaska or hawaii.. * for the past few years, i have had a slight walking impairment due to a form of arthritis known as ankylosing spondylitis.
-
-
NanaR
I love math, especially calculus ;-)
I've been to South America (Colombia).
My husband is from Pennsylvania, but I met him in Puerto Rico.
pax,
Ruth
-
26
The ascension of King David to heaven
by Leolaia inthere is a rather obscure statement in acts 2:34 that specifies that "david himself never ascended to heaven".
the obvious question that arises from this remark is -- who ever believed that david ascended to heaven?
to answer this, we need to look where else but to the pseudepigrapha.
-
-
NanaR
Leo:
You rock ;-)
Ruth
-
54
How could an ex-Jw become Catholic
by My Struggle ini don't mean this to be offensive to any catholics in any way and believe that they can have true salvation unlike the jw.
also, i know little about the in's and out's of practicing catholicism, as i have never had any interest in being one.
regardless i am always surprised when an ex-jw says that they have found the real truth in catholicism.
-
-
NanaR
JWDaughter:
Excellent comment! I particularly like this part:
Through Tradition the Christian Faith could be made accessible to everyone, not just those who were capable of reading, Christianity was from the very beginning a faith for everyone, slave and free man alike. The Bible is a human record of the Divine Revelation, but (though inspired by Him) it is not written by God, nor is it possible to interpret it without the context that Tradition provides: the New Testament was assembled by people who assumed that a lot of things were common knowledge and didn't need further explanation or elaboration."
In our modern times, it is easy to forget that for the first 1500 years (at least) of Christianity, individual Christians did not have regular access to copies of the Holy Scriptures. Many could not read either.
That is why the Liturgy of the Word -- in which scripture is proclaimed in the Mass -- was so vitally important. It is also why the great cathedrals have stained glass windows -- they were Bibles in glass that could be "read" by everyone.
As to the parting of ways between the Eastern and Western Church, both Pope Benedict XVI (as well as John Paul II before him) and the Patriarch of Constantinople (and other Eastern Church leaders) are in prayerful dialogue regarding Christian Unity. I have two friends who are Russian Orthodox. The Orthodox faith is beautiful and apostolic.
Pax,
Ruth
-
54
How could an ex-Jw become Catholic
by My Struggle ini don't mean this to be offensive to any catholics in any way and believe that they can have true salvation unlike the jw.
also, i know little about the in's and out's of practicing catholicism, as i have never had any interest in being one.
regardless i am always surprised when an ex-jw says that they have found the real truth in catholicism.
-
-
NanaR
I am an XJW who is "becoming" Catholic.
I "found Jesus" in the Catholic Church. I am finally, after many years, experiencing healing from the anger and resentment engendered by the WTS.
Catholic worship is deeply scriptural. Jesus said that once he established his Church, it would always exist (The gates of Hades will not overpower it).
I find it reasonable that the same God who preserved Holy Scripture inerrant for thousands of years would preserve His Church on earth.
I find that the Catholic Church does the things that Jesus foretold his followers would do -- they feed the hungry, care for the sick, and become the face of Jesus to those in need.
The parable of the Wheat and the Weeds foretells that not all Christians would be good. Not all Catholics are good. They are human. But so were the Israelites, and God preserved their priesthood from Aaron until the time of Christ for His purpose.
I have, of course, not come to this decision lightly. It is also not a subject about which I will argue, although I would be happy to discuss the subject in more depth if anyone has a question for me personally.
Peace to all of you,
Ruth
-
28
Are we suffering from a victim mindset?
by DT ini don't want to be disrespectful or cause needless disputes, but there are some thoughts that have been bugging me.
i have to wonder why former members aren't doing more to combat the power of the watchtower society.
of course, i realise that some have made great contributions and others have to first make their own healing process a priority.
-
-
NanaR
The best answer to the Watchtower is to leave and live a fruitful and happy life.
To be preoccupied with the Watchtower, even in the sense of "combatting" it, is to continue to allow it to control your life.
"Shake the dust from your feet" and don't look back...
Ruth
-
-
-
NanaR
OBVES:
The Word of God is Jesus.
The Truth is Jesus.
Jesus has not come again in Glory for the Final Judgment, because when He does, EVERYONE will know it.
When you can disprove the entire contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, you can talk to me.
Bye,
Ruth
-
16
If All Early Christians Were Preachers...... Who Worked & Cooked The Meals?
by minimus inthe watchtower says that all early christians were preachers.
you couldn't be a christian if you weren't a preacher/teacher.
how would you refute that?
-
-
NanaR
Dorcas was resurrected after evidence was presented that she had made clothing for the poor (not that she spent every hour of every day talking to people). Peter obviously considered making clothing for poor widows to be Dorcas's ministry.
Acts 9:36 - 42
But in Jop´pa there was a certain disciple named Tab´i·tha, which, when translated, means Dor´cas. She abounded in good deeds and gifts of mercy that she was rendering. 37 But in those days she happened to fall sick and die. So they bathed her and laid her in an upper chamber. 38 Now as Lyd´da was near Jop´pa, when the disciples heard that Peter was in this city they dispatched two men to him to entreat [him]: "Please do not hesitate to come on as far as us." 39 At that Peter rose and went with them. And when he arrived, they led him up into the upper chamber; and all the widows presented themselves to him weeping and exhibiting many inner garments and outer garments that Dor´cas used to make while she was with them. 40 But Peter put everybody outside and, bending his knees, he prayed, and, turning to the body, he said: "Tab´i·tha, rise!" She opened her eyes and, as she caught sight of Peter, she sat up. 41 Giving her his hand, he raised her up, and he called the holy ones and the widows and presented her alive. 42 This became known throughout all Jop´pa, and many became believers on the Lord. 43 For quite a few days he remained in Jop´pa with a certain Simon, a tanner.
Pax,
Ruth
-
14
WT says Thank God we're here for you!
by ozziepost inappearing as their feature article today on their official website is this from an awake!
article of last year: .
true christians shining in the darknessbefore the weeds of false christianity are collected and destroyed, however, jesus illustration indicates something else that must happen.
-
-
NanaR
Ozzie:
One thing that the Watchtower consistently misrepresents about the Parable of the Wheat and the Weeds is that Jesus is very clear that the WEEDS are collected first (and cast into fire). Only THEN do the "righteous shine like the sun".
So I guess the Witnesses are out gathering the weeds to be burned up, heh?
Ruth