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Stock Market Awake 2000

by bobld in

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is buying stocks the same as gambling?

no per gb/fds.however,are the being truthful or are they using this as an excuse/justification of making big money on the stock exchange.as we know many have made big bucks (i think this incudes the wts) at the expanse of others(losers).the wts defends the stock market as being a part of a company and treat it no different than an employee working for (part of ) a company.

(see past wt/a).. help me understand this statement from awake.

bobld

Just to add to the above.

The R&F of Jehovah's Witnesses sincerely believe with their whole heart,mind,body and soul that the Governing body and the faithful and discreet slave of the Watchtower Bible and tract Society (GB/FDS/WTS) is God's visible spirit-directed organization on Earth.Also they believe the publications by the GB/FDS/WTS are spirit-directed.So when the GB/FDS/WTS approves of investing in the stock market(per their publications) the R&F of J.W. believe that it is ok to invest in the stock market.

However,in view of what has happened to the stock market in 2008,many brothers and sisters are saying are saying such things as:.........Corruption.Greedy,deceptive brokers,scam/con artists,ponzi schemes, materialism,Satan's organization,etc.etc.

In view of what the brothers and sisters are saying about the stock market,should not a judical committee be formed and these brothers and sisters be disfallowshipped because the are being critical of the GB/FDS/WTS.Also are they not causing division in the congregations.They are obvisiously going against the Faithful Slave and the spirit-directed organization.

Footnote:Will we see a correction in the Watchtower publication or new light in view of what has happened in the stock markets.

Bob

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Stock Market Awake 2000

by bobld in

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is buying stocks the same as gambling?

no per gb/fds.however,are the being truthful or are they using this as an excuse/justification of making big money on the stock exchange.as we know many have made big bucks (i think this incudes the wts) at the expanse of others(losers).the wts defends the stock market as being a part of a company and treat it no different than an employee working for (part of ) a company.

(see past wt/a).. help me understand this statement from awake.

bobld

Is buying stocks the same as gambling? No per GB/FDS.However,are the being truthful or are they using this as an excuse/justification of making big money on the stock exchange.As we know many have made big bucks (I think this incudes the WTS) at the expanse of others(losers).The WTS defends the stock market as being a part of a company and treat it no different than an employee working for (part of ) a company.(see past wt/a).

Help me understand this statement from Awake."No human knows the exact time for Armageddon,so a christian is obliged to make plans for the months and years ahead until the battle of Armageddon brings on the end to this world.People who are not successful financially-live beyond their means and are victims of materialism because they strive for what they cannot afford"

Those who have been in the truth a very loooooooooooooooooong time will remember the wise wisdom of the GB/FDS although I'am not sure if they were called that back there.

Bob

PS:So way back many many years it was aright to save for the future,because the end was when.I forgot with all the foreclosers and low real estate and all the money that the WTS has on hand they should get a whole lot of cheap land at the expanse of some poor souls.

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Just wondering

by bobld in

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pre-flood: the sons of god (angels) begin to notice the daughters of men,that they were good looking abd beautiful.........had relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them and the were mighty.

fast forward a few thousand years.mary a virgin promised to joseph.god has found favour in mary and his holy spirit makes her pregnant she has a mighty son,he can walk on water,raise dead etc.just wondering.. the garden of eden.adam and beautiful eve eating all that good delicious food.why did not lucifer appear to eve as a handsome man and seduce her behind the apple tree.after sex he could of given her the apple and had a cigarette.also why did not the sons of god notice the delicious fruit in the garden.

you would think when they saw the food they would want to try it even before their were women.just wondering.. bob.

bobld

Pre-flood: The Sons of God (Angels) begin to notice the daughters of men,that they were good looking abd beautiful.........had relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them and the were mighty. Fast forward a few thousand years.Mary a virgin promised to Joseph.God has found favour in Mary and his Holy spirit makes her pregnant she has a mighty son,he can walk on water,raise dead etc.Just wondering.

The garden of Eden.Adam and beautiful Eve eating all that good delicious food.Why did not Lucifer appear to Eve as a handsome man and seduce her behind the apple tree.After sex he could of given her the apple and had a cigarette.Also why did not the Sons of God notice the delicious fruit in the garden. You would think when they saw the food they would want to try it even before their were women.Just wondering.

Bob

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Did you SAVE money by using a hotel on the recommended lodging list?

by truthseeker in

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i haven't seen this question posted here before, but did any of you who stayed at one of the hotels on the society's recommended lodging list save money than if you attended a hotel not on the list?.

having seen a few of these lists, it seems the rates given are expensive..

bobld

I agree 100% with Quotes.It has nothing to do with the R&F saving money.As I have posted before the WT does it only for the money.I was told that the convention organizers will go the the brothers that they can trust and tell them to make the payment direct to watchtower convention.And not to the hotel because they have a certain number of room for free because the have reserved so many rooms.So the hotel in sences have given the WT a number of rooms to do whatever, thus the money making scheme.It is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Bob

PS:The brothers who are selected to make the payments to WT are only for the free rooms that the WT is alocated for that hotel.Also they say to the brother that he would be paying for the room anyways so it does not matter to the brother because he would be spending that money in any case.The only thing I am not sure if they issue him a tax receipt as a donation for which he could benefit for tax purposes.

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COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT HEAR AT THE WT STUDY Nov, 24-20, 2008

by Mary in

i told blondie i'd do the comments this week to help give her a bit of a break.

this week's study is all about resisting the spirit of the world.

this is nothing new really-----they've been preaching this for decades, but it still unbelievable how hypocritical they can be......... the study article is in black, my comments are in blue and unless otherwise noted, all scriptures are from the nwt.. .

bobld

Q17 here is the link..".jwemployees.bracehost.com" Also did anyone see the big rock on the right hand of fds D.Spane,talk of showy display.

Bob

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COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT HEAR AT THE WT STUDY Nov, 24-20, 2008

by Mary in

i told blondie i'd do the comments this week to help give her a bit of a break.

this week's study is all about resisting the spirit of the world.

this is nothing new really-----they've been preaching this for decades, but it still unbelievable how hypocritical they can be......... the study article is in black, my comments are in blue and unless otherwise noted, all scriptures are from the nwt.. .

bobld

Thanks,Mary great comments.

They talk about honesty.There was an article on the internet about a larger number of J.W.elders etc. who stole,deceived people of money big time that are in jail.I'll try an find the link.

Bob

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book study

by bobld in

ch.9 p117 avoid violence in your dealings.why don't they practice what they preach?

is not disfellowshipping mental violence?.

also some comments..such as the assyrians were blood thirsty not like a loving god jehovah.para 14 "nineveh were ....murder,plunder,supression,and violation of the weak etc"why don't j.w.

bobld

Ch.9 p117 Avoid violence in your dealings.Why don't they practice what they preach? Is not disfellowshipping mental violence?

Also some comments..such as the Assyrians were blood thirsty not like a loving God Jehovah.Para 14 "Nineveh were ....murder,plunder,supression,and violation of the weak etc"Why don't J.W. read the Bible, for instance 1 Samuel 15 in part listen to the words of Jehovah ...you must not have any compassionn upon him, and you must put them to death,man,as well as woman,child as well as suckling,bull as well as sheep,camel, as well as ass.Talk about a mean violent God.Flood, fire etc what an angry God.

Bob

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-23-08 WT Study (MARRIAGE)

by blondie in

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quote.

bobld

Thanks,Blondie

There must be trble in pair a dice land.Marrages falling apart,poor meeting attendance,donations down.What is it with all the ot examples,murder,adultery,multiple wives.David David who would want to fallow his example.Wasn't he the one that had a funny victory dance that one of his wives told him to smarten up only to be punished and not have any children.Also if it wasn't for dfs the divorce rate would be skyhigh in lala land.

Bob

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Why the hey did we not WALK away in 1995?? the gen. thing

by oompa in

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i remember arguing with a bethel elder friend of mine during a long ride to an assembly about the"new light" in 1995....that the generation of 1914 is not the "this generation" that jesus referred to: .

(luke21:32)32 truly i say to you, this generation will by no means pass away until all things occur.

yep....pretty damm simple to me for 45 years...the generation that sees all the "signs" will not die before armageddon....thus we honest hearted ones pleaded with our back calls, or return visits to study with us before it is too late!....the time is soooo short, cause these 1914 folk are gettin damm old!....hurry in and be saved!.

bobld

oompa I feel for you you must hurt alot, it's so sad what this evil org does to people.Also how many believe so strongly in it.Many here have a hard time because one or the other spouse(usually the wife) is hard wired to the org and you can't change her way of thinking.The hurt,the sad feelings,the broken hearts,so sad.We can see the bright light of how wrong this org is but how can you part with a loved one who is in the darkness,in the dungeons of the org.I could cry a river of tears for all the hurt this org does to people.I don't know what the answer is.

Bob

Politically Neutral/Worldly Gov't

by bobld in

the bible views human gov'ts as wild beasts.in romans 13:1,2 we are to be in subjection to this wild beast.in 1 tim 2:1,2 we should pray for kings/gov'ts.. why would i pray for a nazi hilter, j.stalin,a.pinochet,r.mugabe,g.bush/b.obama.look at the african countries of burundi,etritrea,ethiopia,sudan,darfur and zimbabwe.just to name a few countries and some dead dictators.. the wbts says these "superior authorities" provide a measure of stability.in view of the above gov'ts do you think prayers for these kings/gov'ts to god are a whole lot of smoke out the ass?.

b.

bobld

The Bible views human Gov'ts as wild beasts.In Romans 13:1,2 we are to be in subjection to this wild beast.In 1 Tim 2:1,2 we should pray for Kings/Gov'ts.

Why would I pray for a Nazi Hilter, J.Stalin,A.Pinochet,R.Mugabe,G.Bush/B.Obama.Look at the African countries of Burundi,Etritrea,Ethiopia,Sudan,Darfur and Zimbabwe.Just to name a few countries and some dead dictators.

The WBTS says these "superior authorities" provide a measure of stability.In view of the above Gov'ts do you think prayers for these Kings/Gov'ts to God are a whole lot of smoke out the ass?

B