Try reading and googling
The Well-Trained Mind by Susan Wise-Bauer and
Teaching the Trivium by the Bluedorns.
i recently found out about the classical model of education based on three stages of grammar, dialectic and rhetoric - evidently it is of interest with home schooling.
i wonder if anyone has any input on this.
i get the basic concept, but am just interested in going a little deeper into it.
Try reading and googling
The Well-Trained Mind by Susan Wise-Bauer and
Teaching the Trivium by the Bluedorns.
i had a conversation with my mother yesterday.
by the way i'll say that she's back in the hospital again after a complication.
she should be out in a few days, but she's fine though and getting better each day.
i'm gaining the reputation in the congregation as being one of those that were super strong in the truth but is falling away.
What is really happening, R.F.
Aren't you becoming super strong in your FAITH, but falling away from the cult?
Way to go, bro.
you are dying.. you are evaporating.. we're the only ones that care, and that's because you took so much from us all.. i used to think you were just misguided.. now i'm thinking that you are heartless and manipulative.. the fight against your lies and control is just beginning.. i say that not to minimize the tireless and valiant efforts of those who have spent years exposing your fraudulence.. i am indebted to these for easing my exit from your cult.. but a new generation is awakening.. we are not done with you.. i got my brother out who was an elder.. i got a ministerial servant out.. i got my son out.
he will not waste his youth on your lies.. i post on jwd in the hope of getting many more out.. i am working on a book about the lies surrounding 1914. .
we smell your fear, your terror.
"Attention Bethel: would you please post a reply to this thread so we know that Nvr's message has been received? Thanks for your attention to this matter."
so i've been thinking about many of the different things the wts has put into effect this year in keep their strong hold on the flock: .
- a new edition of the watchtower for jws only that uses all of their insider terminology.
- individuals who are disfelloshipped, dissassociated, or have ceased association with the congregation should not receive the current literature.
Wasn't independent bible study among Bethelites the beginning of the end for Ray Franz? Perhaps they are going to start a massive disfellowshipping move again and clean house (congregations), thereby getting rid of all the independent thinkers again.
Wouldn't that be something if some more "heavies" from Bethel were "cleaned out"? Surely they can't ALL be asleep at the wheel, unless their conscience has been seared. *truthsearcher moves over to make room for more newbies on JWD*
hello fellow forum members, i am very new here, and feel it is time to share a little about myself.
this site has gotten me quite riled up again, and even after many years my experience is not memorable and still upsets me when i think of it.
my beginning experience of joining the jw organization at age 6 was not unpleasant at all, and was not for many years.
(((((LTF))))):
I was so sad to read your story and hear about the abuse that was tolerated and perpetrated against you by the Witnesses.
The Bible is really clear about how to identify false teachers: Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits" in Matthew 7:16,20.
This is yet another example out of the multitudes that show the corruption and falseness of the Watchtower.
Jesus said:
Mark 10:14 Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God.15Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
Mt 18:6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mt 18:10Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Mt 18:14Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Mr 9:42And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Lu 17:2It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
(Watchtower, you should read these passages and weep!)
I wish you the best in your recovery from this cult.
my first week of posts here were very serious and all the wonderful, encouraging replies helped me very much.. so now i want to ask something semi-frivolous.
(actually it's one of the many things that don't make sense to me about "the truth").
why do animals die?.
But seriously, I believe that the animals did not die before Adam sinned. I just can't see Adam and Eve crying their eyes out because their favourite_____________________ died, and still considering their garden to be a paradise. Also, why would God have said that His creation was very good if they were dying? I believe that with their sin, all of creation was cursed as well, and so animals came under that curse, resulting in their eventual death. Check Genesis 3 and
Romans 8 "The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. "
Also Hebrews 1:11 tells that the world is decaying, and so this also includes everything in it, such as animals.
That's my view, anyway.
my first week of posts here were very serious and all the wonderful, encouraging replies helped me very much.. so now i want to ask something semi-frivolous.
(actually it's one of the many things that don't make sense to me about "the truth").
why do animals die?.
Well, I know that around here where I live, animals die because they absolutely refuse to look both ways before crossing the street...
well after a lot more gray hairs & frustration.
i am back .
i hope all is well.
well after a lot more gray hairs & frustration.
i am back .
i hope all is well.
Mouthy! Welcome back to JWD! I have needed your help here many times--I have had to post so many times since you were away that I moved up to the next level! My poor fingers...
I hope your move went well, and I look forward to coming down for a visit. By the way, you are on Youtube. I posted a thread about it yesterday! I'll see if I can find the link again...
so......it has been 3 months since my mother passed away and not one, not one witness has called, stopped by, or even sent a card to me!
it hit me today.
i mean, i must have gotten like 50 sympathy cards in the mail from her worldly relatives and co-workers, as well as numerous phone calls, but not one witness has done anything!
I was shocked when I read Jeff's story, and I continue to be shocked by the confirmations of a loveless religion. I am so sorry Wing Commander that at the time when people should be pouring balm into your wounded heart, they are ignoring you instead! By their fruits, you will know who the true followers of Jesus and God are...
You wrote:
The only real comfort I felt was from my own prayer asking God for forgiveness of her sins, and to take her whole life into consideration when the Resurrection comes. I also asked for guidance and strength harder that I have ever prayed before and somehow felt it come over me. (This was before and during her passing)
I wish I knew which way to turn. I went back to a few Sunday meetings, hoping maybe someone would see me there and give a damn, but all I get is fake smiles and greetings for me to keep coming back, but with no follow-ups at my home, etc. I find the whole situation strange and pathetic all at the same time. All the while, a non-demoninational Pastor keeps stopping by my house every 3 weeks asking about me, preaching about being Born-Again (which is a strange concept for a life-long JW), and showing geniune affection and interest. He regularily goes door-to-door with his Bible in my neighbourhood and others. I find it amazing that not just JW's have their "field ministry".
You have been warned about this pastor, but I have known many loving pastors who do visit door-to-door, sharing the love of Jesus. You prayed for guidance, perhaps this is God's answer to you?