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Death Count at the District Convention

by The wanderer in

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death count at the district conventionevery year it seemed as if someone died because of the extreme heat at the four and five day .

district conventions.

the reality of the matter was that it probably was more than one.. .

Cindi_67

I remember a District Convention I attended about 15 or 16 years ago in Miami. It was an oven. It was on a race track. I had to leave early because I had a heat stroke as well as my daughter who was about 8 or 9 months old. I started vomiting and she did too, and had loose bowel movements. (Sorry) I've never felt anything like that before. I started feeling bad earlier but, because I felt, if I didn't stay, I was being unappreciative of the "spiritual food", stayed. At the last minute, on the last talk I couldn't take it anymore and left.

Not easy, not easy at all.

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Here we go again . . . The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

by cruzanheart in

i got an email with an audio attachment (haven't listened to it) that's being passed around the witness community.

here's the written part of it anyway:.

i just wanted to let you know about an important piece of information i heard first hand, this morning (actually on a recording of a bethel representative giving a talk at the 2007 special day assembly in houston, tx).

Cindi_67

Do you think you can send some of us the email or try to add the attachment here?

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Do CO's discuss inactive publishers?

by Inquisitor in

during his visit, what exactly does the circuit overseer discuss with the body of elders with regards to inactive publishers?.

are inactive publishers even on the agenda?

or is this of no concern to the co and pretty much left to the discretion of the local boe?.

Cindi_67

Hey, were you an elder?

In my experience: They discuss inactive publishers in a cold, technical manner

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How do the JW's stay encouraged and persevere?

by JH in

what keeps them going and going week after week?.

is it fear of being destroyed?.

fear of missing out on paradise?.

Cindi_67

Is it fear of being destroyed?

At least that was my case. Fear of Armageddon and fear of dying. I bet that is the case with most of them. And fear is not suppose to be the reason why you serve God. Is suppose to be love, but how can you love a God that says will destroy you if you don't comply with certain rules that I think the Organization has set up themselves? It's like being married to a man that abuses you, you are afraid of leaving him in fear of what he may do to you if you do. That is not love, that is terror. You feel you can't be yourself, you don't do anything right, you have to do more and more to please him. I want to think that Jehovah is not that way, but that is what we have known all along.

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Do CO's discuss inactive publishers?

by Inquisitor in

during his visit, what exactly does the circuit overseer discuss with the body of elders with regards to inactive publishers?.

are inactive publishers even on the agenda?

or is this of no concern to the co and pretty much left to the discretion of the local boe?.

Cindi_67

Well I have been inactive for the past 8 months and "my" congregation was supposed to have had de CO's visit back in August or September and nobody went to my house. I think the elders keep him busy so he doesn't have enough time in his already busy agenda to make "unnecessary" calls. The elders here appear to have forgotten all about me. I guess I wasn't that much of an important part of the congregation after all. Right now I consider it to be too late. I don't want them visiting now as I will not be a pleasant host. Actually I think they might have prevented the CO to come to my house, knowing that I will tell him that they just didn't bother coming at all.

I wrote a letter back in June of 2006 after I stoped attending late April, telling them my feelings and overall spiritual condition and after three weeks my book study conductor was the one that came to my house, without actually addressing too much of my letter. He got that letter 1 day after he arrived from a trip himself. So I guess he wasn't prepared to "help" me. After that just one more visit. I had too much stuff going on around the house and didn't let them in. And that's the last I heard from any of them. I understand that only your book study conductor should visit the members of his book study. The others don't even bother calling to see how you are. It makes me mad and disspointed at the same time. This brother already had a lot going on with his own family. But that's the way it is in "my" dear congregation. All rules, spending time filling up their service reports with long hours pioneering; a call to a baptized member will not count.

BLAH, let them keep on preaching the love they don't display in the congregation unless you are an active member and want to be a pioneer and join their group of stuck ups. To hell with the ones who are not. Right? Sorry I am very upset today and this subject just hit the mark.

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Feb 15, 2007 WT Article: Women: Obey Your Hubbies!!

by Mary in

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page 18 is the pathetic craptower article, telling women (who have apparently gotten above themselves) that they must be "obedient" to their husbands.

the entire article is nauseating, and obviously written by bitter old men who have major issues with the opposite sex.

i'm not going to write the whole thing, but here's a few 'highlights':.

Cindi_67

Gumbronson said: This info also contradicts what the Society has said regarding scriptural reasons for seperation from your mate. 1) willfull financial neglect 2) spiritual endangerment ( such as a mate prohibiting one from attending meetings or strongly pushing their apostate veiws) ~~3) Physical abuse, that can endanger or threaten your life.~~Countless of JW women seperate from their sorryass hubbies who physically abuse them and nothing is said.....at least where I live.(maybe someone can post this from the Watchtower)

Now with this new article, "light has become brighter" and we can scratch off number 3. Leave number 2, it is more important you leave your husband because he is an apostate or prohibiting one from attending meetings but, stay and let him beat you to death, you will be dying obeying "Jehovah" and will have the hope of resurrection. In fact did you notice that Physical abuse is number 3 on their list of reasons and Spiritual endangerment is above it? They consider that a better motive than Physical abuse.

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Feb 15, 2007 WT Article: Women: Obey Your Hubbies!!

by Mary in

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page 18 is the pathetic craptower article, telling women (who have apparently gotten above themselves) that they must be "obedient" to their husbands.

the entire article is nauseating, and obviously written by bitter old men who have major issues with the opposite sex.

i'm not going to write the whole thing, but here's a few 'highlights':.

Cindi_67

Par 12: (this really pissed me off): "...Peter indicated that some unbelieving husbands--- even those who are abusive --will become Christians after observing the submissive conduct of their wives. We have seen evidence of this happening today.

Oh dear God!

I remember a District Convention years ago, where a sister related her story on how horrible her marriage was for 20 years where her husband continuosly and repetedely punch her every day and for going to the meetings. And there she was, proudly telling her story because after all those years of misery he finally became a Witness. Touching isn't it? Like I've always said those experiences are given in Conventions for a reason. To have every woman there think that if they divorce their husbands because they beat the sh** out of them, they are not being spiritual and submisive.

That is what I don't figure out with this people. They make you feel unworthy and unspiritual if you don't think like that.

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e-watchman mass banning

by spiceant in

recently e-watchman started deleting/suspending (theres a difference?

) accounts of people on the e-jehovahs-witnesses.com forum left and right which he and the moderating team deemed to be discussing apostate things as in apostate in brother kings own vision, further detailed in some posts (basicly barring out discussions of jw doctrine).. i suppose my own offenses was my "staying in the org.

" thread and one that explained that one should not depend on kh's to be able of worshipping.

Cindi_67

Well I don't understand Mr. "Watchman's" intentions because he himself has been disfellowshiped for apostasy. All these things he says about 1914 and in his book "Jehovah Himself Has Becoming King" is in total opossition to the Orgn.'s view on Jesus' coming, and where and how Jehovah will judge humanity, starting with his own organization. The fact that he wrote this book, built this website and has openly acknowledge his thinking is different from what the Society says has deemed him one of the big "apostates" in the Society's eyes. His book even goes on to contradict almost everything the book of "Daniel's prophecy" says.

So whatever his intentions are, I just don't care about commenting anything on that site anymore.

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Slyvia Browne

by Blueblades in

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is she for real?

what do you know about her and books?

she is on montell williams right now.. blueblades.

Cindi_67

I think Lisa Williams is better. She is a british Medium/Clairvoyant. She is pretty good. Watch her I think is Sundays @ 11:00 pm on Lifetime, if you like that stuff.

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What contributes to a "climate of fear" in the congregation?

by truthseeker in

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i was thinking about how much fear there is among jehovah's witnesses in relating to each other.. if you could read the private thoughts of jw's, you'd probably be surprised at the level of fear they have of each other.. this fear is not likely to be the morbid kind of fear, but the other kind of fear that concerns "what will people think of me?".

you watched a movie at the weekend, it was rated pg, but you are afraid to tell your friends that you went to see it.. you were only able to report 4 hours of field service that month, but you are afraid to report this number so you tweak it.. you missed several meetings due to sickness, you still feel unwell, but you fear what the congregation may think so you force yourself to go.. you went on a weekend getaway, but you are afraid to tell the friends why you were missing that weekend in case they think you put kingdom interests last.. you watched a good book, but you are afraid to talk about it to your friends because they might be stumbled.. you heard of someone who got disfellowshipped but you are afraid to ask what happened.. you were unable to take friday off for the convention, but you fear what will be said about you.. you did not auxiliary pioneer during the memorial season and you are afraid people will think of you as spiritually weak.. .

not everyone will let these things bother them, but many do.. this climate of fear and worry about what the congregation may or may not think does not contribute to a loving atmosphere.. what other things can you think of that contribute to a climate of fear?.

Cindi_67

You were only able to report 4 hours of field service that month, but you are AFRAID to report this number so you tweak it.
You missed several meetings due to sickness, you still feel unwell, but you FEAR what the congregation may think so you force yourself to go

You went on a weekend getaway, but you are AFRAID to tell the friends why you were missing that weekend in case they think you put kingdom interests last.

You were unable to take Friday off for the convention, but you FEAR what will be said about you.
You did not auxiliary pioneer during the Memorial Season and you are AFRAID people will think of you as spiritually weak.

You must've known me because for all those reasons is why I am in the predicament I am now. All those things came to my mind at one point and got tired of the fear, the comparisons, that if you didn't work but were not pioneering you weren't spiritual enough. Or like you said, if you missed a Friday for the Convention, you are not spiritual, and the rest of the things you mentioned. I felt depressed all the time, because not matter how I did things there were always the talks encouraging to do more, and more, and more. And I said, "I've had it", "I can't go on feeling like this anymore." I went to the meetings in a bad mood, and came out worst than when I came in. I lost my sister to cancer 10 days ago and this past weekend was our Circuit Assembly and my mom keept saying that she missed the Assembly and now she wants to know if they will be giving another one. I had to bite my tongue, because I felt like telling her, "Who cares if you missed one assembly. My sister's death is more important than that. So what if you missed this one!" And this is all because of how much the Society bangs you on the head about not letting anything come between you and your meetings. Ever since I stopped attending I've felt better. Don't have to compare myself with anybody and don't have to respond to anybody but God.

I wrote a letter to the elders telling them how I felt about many things in the congregation and some doubts and after two visits by my book study conductor trying to encourage me (nothing related to my letter by the way) no one has even bother to contact me. The other elders have done like Poncius Pilate, they put the responsiblility on this elder only and have washed their hands and not care about me. So I said, "I don't care about going back either." It's too late.

I feel anxious sometimes, thinking "Am I doing the right thing?" but I have to do what I want to do not what others expect me to do. You have described how most of us have felt at one point or another. You are right on.

Cindi_67

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