Posts by AllTimeJeff

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1975 For Deniers

by Farkel in

1975 for deniers.

most of today's jws were not members in 1975 or in the 9 years prior to 1975, so they were not eyewitnesses to what really went on during that period.

i was a pioneer in that period, and i was an eyewitness to what went on.. those jws who are still active today and who were around in that period will typically say it was the "brothers" who "ran ahead of jehovah" and "read more into" the 1975 prediction than what was actually stated.

AllTimeJeff

I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for 1975.

In piecing together how my parents got married and *boom!* there I was, I learned some interesting facts. (dad was 25, mom almost 19 at the time of their marriage)

Dad led a rather hellish and abused childhood although he never talked much about it. His past is still a big blob of mystery to me in many respects. I do know that he ran away at 16, became a hippie, lived in many cities as a hippie all through the 60's. He was contacted by an elder in Tennessee in 68 or 69, and after 2 weeks of being convinced hellfire didn't exist (he was a Southern Baptist), he was baptized at the Astrodome in Houston Texas in 1969. He still smoked (they pulled the rug out from under him on that in a couple of years) and was most definitely caught up in the 75 rush. He admitted as much smoking a cigerette as he was contemplating getting reinstated around 1984. (the year, not the book).

My maternal grandmother died in 1967 suddenly, due to a misdiagnosis at a hospital, and Mom was never the same. (she was in her early teens at the time) She went through her teen years lost and without much love or guidance. So when Dad started courting her (I know, you roll your eyes, but it was the the South, and it was JW's, and you dated that young....) well, it was a match made in JW hell. My Mom and Dad, two lost souls that no one wanted to care for found each other in the contructs of a cult and decided to get married in 1973.

In 1975, my younger brother was conceived. In 1976, my brother was born, Dad started smoking again and went inactive and was lost. He wrote a letter disassociating himself in 1979 because he was smoking. (I guess he kept it hidden for a while. Wonder why Bill Hutter?)

Due to Mom and Dad wanting to be a happy family with my brother and I, Dad got reinstated in 1986, after being turned down the first time by the asshole elders in Tennessee. (I will name one. How ya doing Bill Hutter? You mercinary idiot of an elder!)

My point is, truth is stranger then fiction. 2 emotionally broke people tried to fix themselves in the wake of a cults last bold attempt at prophecy. 1975 came and went, and everyone involved was never the same.

If it weren't for that, Mom and Dad I am sure wouldn't have been married, and the random pieces of DNA that became me would have never made me a growing zygote.

I was born in 1974, so I obviously know nothing of the build up. I am just reporting the aftermath, and the occasional times both my parents let their guard down enough to say that 1975 was real.

Btw, Dad is still in I guess. Mom's out. I wish she would read here sometimes.... Maybe she does... Hi Mom!

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For those who researched 607...

by AwSnap in

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friends

did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

AllTimeJeff

scholar is the best and sneakiest fake this board has ever seen. Why anyone actually takes him seriously, is beyond me. I know. Someone lurking may not know he is a fake, so you have to do what you have to do.

I have to admit though, scholar also has one of the best senses of ironic humor I have ever seen.

Farkel, that thought has crossed my mind several times. I couldn't invent a better persona. It's sort of like a human pinata isn't it...

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The Only Real "Take" You Can Have on the Date of Jerusalems Destruction

by AllTimeJeff in

i have a new take on the 587/586 "controversy".

this is of course, speaking for me over 3 years after i left.

i realize that if you are first leaving, this is a big deal.

AllTimeJeff

Ok Scholar. Have fun with your teaching. Thanks for the good work you do in exposing JW's to the idiodicy of WT dates and how they explain it. I still prefer school books, history books written by *gasp* college graduates, and other learned people.

Billy, please go ahead with the pyramidology. It is so ridiculous that I even doubted it when I first heard about it, till I read in the WT's of that era how Russell did indeed measure pyramids to back up 1914. No problem!

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For those who researched 607...

by AwSnap in

jw
friends

did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

AllTimeJeff

Outlaw

For the past 3 years on this board, I have proven bar none, that I am the best, most well learned apostate of all time... I have consistently proven that everything I say and think is true, because a group of men told me so.

Anyone who believes otherwise is just trying to undermine everyone's faith in me as a credible source of information. After all, god isn't powerful enough preserve anything it seems in an easily referenced form. We have to rely on those YHWH hating Babylonians and Egyptians. Jehovah must hate to have to do that.

Lol. Oh well. Scholar is a mocker and a stalker, but he isn't a teacher, just a leecher (of bullcrap from a cult).

I prefer to get my facts from schoolbooks. Again folks, just go to Barnes and Noble, get a history book, and look it up yourself. Get 3 or 4, thats even better.

Then come back and listen to Scholar tell you how wrong everyone is. Its a great time! Cheers!

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The Only Real "Take" You Can Have on the Date of Jerusalems Destruction

by AllTimeJeff in

i have a new take on the 587/586 "controversy".

this is of course, speaking for me over 3 years after i left.

i realize that if you are first leaving, this is a big deal.

AllTimeJeff

Scholar, you're as playful as a little kitten today aren't ya?

I repeat myself as a way of emphasis but apostates do the very same thing that you accuse me namely the repetition of the same tired old arguments in support of a tired, uselless dates of 586/587, provide no substantive argument in support of their dates but simply an appeal to a false, unreliable chronology of the Neo-Babylonian period.

I think you repeat yourself because thats the only thing JW's know how to do. Btw, apostates didn't invent any dates at all. Instead of rejecting what we learned at school, we actually went ahead and believed scholars and historians, you know, those pesky people who actually investigated these artifacts and cuniform tablets.

Interestingly, what you have never repeated are facts. Thats all. You do consistently repeat that everyone other then the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has it wrong. EVERYONE. To that, I commend you for your persistence, and will do my best to get you an autographed set of Stevie Wonder sunglasses.

Scholar has for these past ten years on this forum provided much detailed proof for 607 BCE and the WT publications have consistently provided all the information necessary.

No you haven't. The WT isn't reliable. Historians and scholars are. Thats why the world relies on them instead of the WT. It's really (I hesitate to say) just that simple.

Scholar, even as I take you at your word that you are a believing JW apologist, I sometimes wonder if you are a lurking, non believing JW who parrots the JW company line in an ironic attempt to show how stupid it is. If so, kudos! It works. If not, doesn't matter, it amounts to the same affect.

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Jehovahs witnesses love a conspiracy theory

by Mickey mouse in

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ever wonder why jws are such suckers for a conspiracy theory?

if you think any of their doctrines or beliefs through for long enough, there's usually some for of conspiracy thrown in.. i thought i'd give this email a whirl to test their credulity:.

are you a conspiracy theorist?

AllTimeJeff

LOL!! I absolutely love this. Send it out, definitely send it out.

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The Only Real "Take" You Can Have on the Date of Jerusalems Destruction

by AllTimeJeff in

i have a new take on the 587/586 "controversy".

this is of course, speaking for me over 3 years after i left.

i realize that if you are first leaving, this is a big deal.

AllTimeJeff

thetrueone

Just click on scholars name, and read up. I really don't want him to hijack this thread. You can see for yourself how he reasons. ("reason" is a very generous word in his case)

I take him at his word that he is a JW with a more detailed knowledge of JW eschatology and exegesis, making him more culpable then your typical JW.

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Did You Exit the Witnesses Due to Injustices / Difference with Doctrine-Both?

by flipper in

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many of us leave due to injustices committed inside the organization.

i did initially.

i had doubts about some doctrines for years - but not until after leaving the witnesses was i free to be able to confirm my suspicions and see that yes, i did have valid reasons to have doubts all those years .

AllTimeJeff

No, I had to adjust my viewpoint to "normal setting" for me to see a lot of how JW's treat their own is unjust.

Because I was 6 ft under in bullshit, it was me having a personal disagreement at Gilead on how the GB believes most major OT characters prophetically pointed to the existence of the WTBTS and the first 3 Presidents that got me started. I knew that this wasnt "THE truth". I still allowed in my head that maybe I could do some good. I also was in the middle of Gilead, and getting stroked like I was didn't help.

Then, after I got attacked in Cameroon, I got back and said 'to hell with not going on the internet. What are they so afraid of?' And then I saw what they were afraid of. The lie concerning 1914 and the related lie of the date of Jerusalems destruction. ALL the false prophecies. The bafoonery that was C T Russell and the narcissistic cruelty that was J F Rutherford. The amazing ability to believe your own bullshit and like the smell of it that was Fred Franz. The ability to be pragmatic and finish the job of turning JW's into a money making enterprise over the well being of the people that was N H Knorr.

It wasn't until I got on these boards and participated that I understood just how much the GB and their minion elders harmed people, and then I really saw how much a part of it I had been.

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had second thoughts about divorcing my JW wife...

by oompa in

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just this week after being separated a little over two months....and funny cause i just got a pm from a newbie about what it is like to leave all...including your wife or husband....anyway, i spent the day with my wife and we talked about it...it is so sad....even though we are very different in natures...i again concluded there is enough in common to be happy and grow old and avoid the very high costs to both of a divorce....except we just cant figure out how to have totally separate friends and social lives....that is kinda big and may still be the deal breaker....soooooo frustrating and infuriating..........oompa.

here was my reply to the newbie pm:.

leaving was terribly hard as my wife is a wonderful and attractive person...my 22 year old son is also a good dub...and my parents are not real old yet and he is a hardcore elder.

AllTimeJeff

Yup. Divorce for me was such a big regret. But, it was the right thing to do, for the reasons you stated.

2 people have to be on the same page, and willing to work through differences. JW's don't allow any compromise. I didn't want to go through with that kind of life anymore.

Wish you the best and that you can see your way through. Its not an easy process.

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The Only Real "Take" You Can Have on the Date of Jerusalems Destruction

by AllTimeJeff in

i have a new take on the 587/586 "controversy".

this is of course, speaking for me over 3 years after i left.

i realize that if you are first leaving, this is a big deal.

AllTimeJeff

Hey my friends. Scholar frequently likes to enter discussions about the date of Jerusalems destruction and repeat himself over and over again with statements like this.

Your comments are based on ignorance and foolishness for the date of Jerusalem's destruction was the beginning of the Gentile Times ending in 1914 CE proven by the facts of modern history so the validity of 607 BCE is a matter of establihed fact.

and

For your information and for the sake of accuracy 607 BCE is proved by the following:

The Bible

Secular souces both ancient and modern

Bible scholarship both past and present

WT Publications

And notice, does not provide a single independent resource, not even one scholar (real one) not one historian, nothing. If you were to look at his posting history, you would find him to be like a skipping record, repeating the same things over and over again. Thats his game. And it is a game.

This would be akin to me maintaining that the US Constitution was signed in 1676 at Plymouth Rock. Don't believe me? I have secular sources and scholarship to back me up to. Just don't ask for names, books, nouns or verbs.

Scholar, I won't debate you. Here is your problem, and here is the problem with the JW position: You would like us to believe that with wide sweeping statements, you can argue against all historians and scholars on this subject. It is a lie. Thats all dude. A lie. I can go to any bookstore, and middle or high school, and show you the date of Jerusalems fall from books independently written. You can't. The only place you can direct anyone is to WT publications. Thats all. You lose. JW's lie. Happy New Year.