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  To Ex-JWs: Do You Regret Learning it Was a Lie?

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this question was inspired by a question on another thread.

  to the ex-jw community here,.

  do any of you regret learning that wt is not god's organization?

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  AllTimeJeff

  Yes, but that's the so-called universal issue. It all comes back to that.

  The universal issue: Whose right is it to rule (you)?

  I understand that the indoctrination makes that the big question. But that question didn't come from you, did it? That question came from a source that lies, the Governing Body.

  Thats the JW big question. What is your big question?

  As I said, there is much we all have to learn and grow, me and you both in our own ways. I don't mean to be disrespectful, if I have, I apologize. I was just curious as to why you adopted as your own, a question that wasn't of your own making?

  I really do wish you peace of mind.
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  To Ex-JWs: Do You Regret Learning it Was a Lie?

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this question was inspired by a question on another thread.

  to the ex-jw community here,.

  do any of you regret learning that wt is not god's organization?

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  AllTimeJeff

  Paul, you don't need to know the truth to see a lie. A lie is simply non truth, misrepresented distorted opinions that are sold as absolutely true.

  I was the happiest when I believed... until I realized that I didn't qualify.

  Paul, I have been following you on the board, and you are clearly on a journey that is very organic. I don't want to interfere unduly. I do have an opinion for you to consider, is it necesarry for you to qualify for something based on the standards of others? Is it possible that you can decide for yourself that you "qualify", that you are for real, and that potentially, you are perfectly fine on your own merits, free from the lens of how any particular religion would interpret you?

  You are you. You don't need to qualify for anyone.

  Just an opinion.
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  Song Book changes - the 'real' reason behind them - EYE OPENING

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's very interesting comparing things that are removed.

  for one, new world order and new world, new order, all being eliminated from everything.

  just research nwo, "new world order", etc, to see.

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  AllTimeJeff

  A religion that changes the tenor of their teachings so much that they have to have 3 songbooks in 40 years should set off red lights.

  I grew to hate the lyrics the longer I was imprisoned by this sickness. Here they aren't even trying to be subtle.

  There are moments where I wonder if the new Governing Body 2.0 is colassally stupid. I mean, just plain cynical, stupid, and in love with the smell of their own shit.

  They certainly think so little of their flocks intelligence that they make these "changes". Morons ruling the blind.
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  The Day I had an Epiphany

  by journey-on in

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  my eyes opened in more ways than one.

  as i lay in bed that sunday morning, i knew i was never again going to rise hurriedly to get myself and the kids dressed and fed for field service.

  i was actually feeling relieved and wanted to just turn over and go back to sleep, certain and content in my decision.. the day before, i had stood at the end of the block, after working a territory filled with barking dogs and people sleeping in after a hard days work week, and thinking, "never again".

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  AllTimeJeff

  I tend to learn in "epiphanies". They take a while. I wish I could learn as I go sometimes.

  Yeah, I remember my last day in FS. I was smirking inside. So happy. It was a unique opportunity for reflection, as I went out with car groups for 3 months as I contemplated my escape, and how I was going to leave.

  I did go through the JW motions for 3 months. I had to keep up appearances of course. While I knew I was going to leave, I got to be in the Chairmans office all 3 days for the DC, and hang around the heavies one last time. Talk about seeing why leaving was such a good idea. All the pious elders in our own little caste. It made me ill.

  My last months in FS allowed me to see the sincerity of some JW's, to really see how stupid and irritating JW's are with the irrational door knocking, magazine distributing is. How the people look at JW's as N U T S. It was a time of reflection, before starting my new life.

  My final memory was me as an elder, serving as an attendant for a Sunday meeting. That afternoon, when everyone went to a picnic, I was going to leave to my newly rented apt. I took it all in. The people, being in a KH, my life, how I got to that point where after all I had been through, I was sitting in the back of a KH for the last time, looking at everyone, no one looking at me. Here I was, knowing in about 5 hours, I was going to be a villan to rival Judas in the eyes of some.

  Life hasn't been easy all the time since I left, but those first 2 months after I left were the happiest I can remember as an adult.
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  LAST NIGHT..!

  by iknowall558 in

  1. jw
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  i finally went out on a 'ministry' work.

  with a bit of help, i took all of my anti witness leaflets and put them through the doors of as many witnesses as i could in a 2hour time period.

  it was the easiest and most exhilirating thing i've ever done.

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  AllTimeJeff

  That happened at our hall a couple of times. I advised against reading it.

  Every time I ever counseled a JW NOT to read literature against JW's, I always felt bad immediately. My conscience hated that we couldn't investigate these things for ourselves.

  If that is your calling, best of luck to you!
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  To Ex-JWs: Do You Regret Learning it Was a Lie?

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this question was inspired by a question on another thread.

  to the ex-jw community here,.

  do any of you regret learning that wt is not god's organization?

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  AllTimeJeff

  I respect faith. It is powerful, and can do a lot of good. Being a JW has taught me that faith is very personal, and to be wary of anyone who would dare package "faith".

  You can only regret not being a JW after you have left if you are going through a tough time and tend to romanticize about the past, you know, that 1 hour a week when it was actually fun to be a JW. (they are called coffee breaks on Saturday at DD)

  I miss the fun that I had with my friends. But I know it wasn't real, because it was linked to a cult, always under the control of the GB.

  In accord with the title of this thread, if it was a lie, and as a JW you were expected to propagate the lie, when you actually learned it to be a lie, you were in a moral delimma: Keep spouting the lie for your convenience, fade (a very understandable decision) or leave the lie and no longer represent it to others as "da troof".

  No regrets. I am not as happy as I once was as a JW. Of course, my happiest year in life I suppose was when I was 9. The world was simpler then. The world was simpler when I was a JW. Come to find out, the world ain't so simple.
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  Does Your Life Have Purpose?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  witnesses teach that when you learn the "truth", you finally have a purpose in life.. when some witnesses decide to leave the religion, they might experience an emptiness because they realize now that their way of life really was totally a sham.. are jehovah's witnesses right about those that leave the organization no longer having a purpose in life?.

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  Ultimately, that responsibility for a purpose in life rests with each of us. Some mine it (to death, like me sometimes) and others abdicate to a group with their own agenda, and adopt that groups purpose as their own.

  Even to give up that responsibility is a decision. To just sit and wait for the heavens to open is a decision.

  I realize for some, their purpose seems easier to find then others. Typically, the great books of wisdom all agree on one thing; to love one another, to forgive, and to contribute to your community is a general good rule of thumb to go by.

  So yeah, my life has a purpose.
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  The Events That Caused Me to Start Pioneering (way back when...)

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was toying with the idea of re-writing my lifestory.

  frankly, it would be long.

  so i will just do some random experiences instead.

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  AllTimeJeff

  The sad fact is, it's the easiest thing to do to marry poorly in the borg. The best marriages always seemed to me to be the irreagular/inactive, who actually invested time in their marriage instead of the borgs ridiculous schedule.

  Cest la vie!
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  Trotting Out Old Light and Making it New Again- 1975

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wts is great at rebooting old doctrines and rewriting their own history.

  they need the members to feel that armageddon is imminent, so i have a proposal for the gb members reading this forum.. .

  when the end failed to come in 1975, wts offered their explanation that eve was created some time after adam, and that some time passed before she and adam sinned.

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  AllTimeJeff

  They said that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975. They said that Eve was created some time afterward. They do not have any clue from the Bible how much time passed from Adam's creation to Eve's creation nor how much more time passed before Eve ate the apple. We only know that by the time Adam was 130, Seth was born after Adam and Eve had sinned and had two other children.

  Nope, that is correct. I was making a parody of what it would have been like if JW's believed that Eve was created shortly after Adam and somehow tried to apply it to the 6000 years. The GB must now somehow get everyone to believe that this time lapse happened, purely out of a need to back up their idiotic timelines.

  The Genesis narrative is 'out there' anyway. But to believe that Adam was alone for going on 35 years now is ridiculous. And that Eve was barely created before being tested by "Satan" (not named until Jesus and Revelation in the NT) is all pure nonesense. And again, it has as its aim the same thing with the 1914/607 teaching, the propping up of failed WT prophecies.

  And to believe that Eve was created out of a rib, that a talking snake caused all of the mess mankind is in is ridiculous too. But I digress.....
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  It's 2010, Where Is My...

  by ColdRedRain in

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  flying car.

  robot butler.

  vr video game console.

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  AllTimeJeff

  That pretty much covers it!