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  "Millions now living will never die" to Millions now living 'may' never die

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  notice a few months ago, they correctly noted the title of the talk.

  8/15/2009 page 16 paragraph 17, "from 1918 until 1925, the talk "millions now living will never die," which explained the hope of everlasting life on earth, was presented by jehovah'v servants in over 30 languaged worldwide.

  (notice it doesn't say "jehovah's witnesses, but jehovah's servants, because they weren't called that then) by 1934, jehvoahs' witnesses......... .

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  AllTimeJeff

  I'll check back when they change it to "Millions Now Living Will Probably Die. Make That Billions."
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  Watchtower 2080 "New thought on the Generation"

  by dozy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower study article jun 15th 2080 (direct retina scanned edition).

  14...the watchtower of nov 15th 2037 brought out the increased light that the 144,000 of revelation should not be understood as a figurative number , but that the heavenly hope is open to all who wish to partake.

  we rejoice that the number who profess such a hope has risen to over one million now , together with the over 35 million of the great crowd class.

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  Sorry, you inspired me and I can't help myself

  How Do You React to New Light?

  Par 18. At times, opposers and apostates like to point out that the way that the faithful and discreet slave (MT 24: 45-47) defines the word generation flies in the face of both English and Greek dictionaries, to say nothing of Spanish and Portugeese dictionaries. Should we care about the modern day apostate Judas class and their insistence on using words with proper meanings? Not if we support Jesus, Jehovah, and their faithful and discreet slave. (MT 24: 45-47)

  Par 19. Clearly, dictionaries are fine, so long as they are used by Jehovah, Jesus, and the faithful and discreet slave. (MT 24: 45-47) However, our dear brothers and sisters stab themselves all over with many pains when they try to read dictionaries apart from the material printed by the faithful and discreet slave. (MT 24: 45-47) Often, this leads to sadness, lack of faith, hemmoroids, and shingles.

  Par 20. The faithful and discreet slave (MT 24: 45-47) has taken great pains to invent new words that please Jehovah. Jehovah himself is well pleased when we ignore the real meaning of words and instead believe everything that is printed in the Watchtower, which is printed under the direction of the faithful and discreet slave. (MT 24: 45-47)

  Par 21. "The Watchtower, Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom is Coming Someday" has been faithfully proclaiming the new light from Jehovah everytime Jehovah blesses the faithful and discreet slave (MT 24: 45-47) with new batteries for their flashlight. May we never push ahead of Jehovah and the faithful and discreet slave (MT 24: 45-47). It is Jehovah alone who has given the only celestial, spiritual flashlight availble to the group of men known as the faithful and discreet slave. (read MT 24: 45-47)
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  JW Science Quote (1-22)

  by TD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this week's installment in the science quotes of "celebrated jw scholars" concerns one of their perennial claims.

  based on a literal reading of genesis 1:30, jehovah's witnesses believe and teach that all animals were orginally designed to be vegetarians and that the restoration prophecies of isaiah foretell a return to this state.

  this has been stated many times in jw literature:.. .

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  In other words, they went ahead and propagated a claim as fact, only to learn that science doesn't back up their BS at all.

  This was fascinating. Yup, meat eating animals who originally were only going to eat Caesers salad all their life had those big sharp teeth created by the almighty Jehovah to maul a radish. Gotta love the GB and their insightful, spirit directed, (not spirit inspired) research.
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  Are You Naughtier Than Before?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  are you a naughty boy or girl??

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  To a certain degree, I have embraced my inner @$$hole...

  (insert punchline here_______________)
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - Trained to Argue

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although a cult, jehovah's witnesses should not be underestimated as to their smarts.

  sometimes, exiting jw's, due to indoctrination, feel a lot of guilt for leaving.

  of course, the governing body wouldn't have it any other way.. upon leaving, many for the first time feel a freedom to express themselves, which is as it should be.

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  So I guess what I'm saying is that I disagree with you. Whatcha gonna do about it?

  Beks, I'll take you down with me sista!! ;)

  Ironically, this is an opinion piece about opinions, featuring my opinion. I wouldn't dare to argue beyond a certain point on this topic. I think it healthy to express opinion. I think it unhealthy to get upset about those who disagree with you. You know, unless they are holding a gun to your head. Then its ok to get upset a bit.

  Open mind I think hit it perfectly. Some people (and cults) specialize in bullshit. Even though we all know JW's (specifically, the GB) is wrong where they stand, how many arguments have you seen them lose?

  They don't lose. They just have an iron chin. They wait for the other person to wear down.

  The only known antidote for this idiotic strategy is to pull out the paperback version of "Crisis of Conscience" with Ray Franz's name on it. It's kryptonite to a JW at the door. I remember the only time that happened to me, I thought Satan himself came out, scared the shit out of me.

  Otherwise, don't expect to ever win an argument against a JW.

  I think there comes a point where the motive of a debater/opinion provider has to be determined. I can share what I think, but truthfully, at the end of the day, if you disagree with me, my big head won't be crying in my big pillow all night.

  Others want to win, or feel they win. It's just a matter of keeping the argument going long enough to give the appearance of a win. Arguments won on the rubble of facts are not wins for anyone of course. We all know this to be the truth. (if you think I kid, ask a JW about Jehovah's name in the New Testament. Fascinating where that goes...)
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  Conan O'brien, Tonight Show- Go get a REAL cause to fight for

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  we all need to blow off steam.

  ex-jw's come on here and post humor or read about john doe's trying out a vegetarian lifestyle.

  that's all fine and cool.

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  Hear hear!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - Trained to Argue

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although a cult, jehovah's witnesses should not be underestimated as to their smarts.

  sometimes, exiting jw's, due to indoctrination, feel a lot of guilt for leaving.

  of course, the governing body wouldn't have it any other way.. upon leaving, many for the first time feel a freedom to express themselves, which is as it should be.

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  I have no problem with opinions. I find myself wondering if there is a difference between holding opinions (as we should) and being opinionated.

  I am not suggesting we don't share what we feel or think. It's just that after a point, there comes a time when you have had your say, and you can either leave it for the record, or try to finish off your opponent.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - Trained to Argue

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although a cult, jehovah's witnesses should not be underestimated as to their smarts.

  sometimes, exiting jw's, due to indoctrination, feel a lot of guilt for leaving.

  of course, the governing body wouldn't have it any other way.. upon leaving, many for the first time feel a freedom to express themselves, which is as it should be.

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  Acolytes

  JW's, and esp elders, should probably be argued with at every opportunity.

  What I am referring to more is after that is done, what's next? Lets face it, we ex JW's probably have a skill we wish we didn't have, but its there. And we use it quite well.

  I use it all the time at my job. Sometimes, I catch myself, and I hear myself say something, or I type an opinion here, and I stop myself. "Is that what I really think? What about the other point of view? Are they really right, or just emotional? Am I right, or am I being pissy?"

  Winning arguments, or having strong opinions, doesn't necessarily = quality of life.

  To quote William Yeats "All empty souls tend toward extreme opinions."

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  "When men exercise their reason coolly and freely on a variety of distinct questions, they inevitably fall into different opinions on some of them. When they are governed by a common passion, their opinions, if they are to be called, will be the same." - Alexander Hamilton

  "The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge." Elbert Hubbard

  "There is no greater mistake than the hasty conclusion that opinions are worthless because they are badly argued." Thomas H. Huxley

  Good stuff.... :)
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - Trained to Argue

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although a cult, jehovah's witnesses should not be underestimated as to their smarts.

  sometimes, exiting jw's, due to indoctrination, feel a lot of guilt for leaving.

  of course, the governing body wouldn't have it any other way.. upon leaving, many for the first time feel a freedom to express themselves, which is as it should be.

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  Although a cult, Jehovah's Witnesses should not be underestimated as to their smarts. Sometimes, exiting JW's, due to indoctrination, feel a lot of guilt for leaving. Of course, the Governing Body wouldn't have it any other way.

  Upon leaving, many for the first time feel a freedom to express themselves, which is as it should be. At last, unfiltered opinions showing off exactly what years of being a JW has taught you. You can argue politics, religion. You can even agree or disagree with Simon Cowell openly.

  And the dis-agreements continue.

  I wonder sometimes if it isn't a reaction to being forced to agree with the Governing Body all those years that we former JW's tend to express our disagreements over anything, just because we never got to before. Why look for people to agree with, when you can now fight for what you think for the first time?

  Of course, it is then that the old indoctrination kicks in, the passive agressive methods of arguing, of making a point. Of demonizing entire sources of information because it doesn't come from a particular source. etc

  The point is, ex JW's are well equipped to argue most anything. JW's have an entire meeting (The Service Meeting) dedicated to the craft of arguing from an incorrect position. Little wonder that being correct and factual is often secondary to being right, or winning an argument. Sometimes, we can do that without even realizing it.

  So while ex JW's are usually good at arguing, getting their arguments correct and factual is an entirely different matter. Being emotionally invested in an opinion as a way to vent has value, but it is limited, and oftentimes can prevent growth.

  I am fascinated by the concepts of cognitive dissonance and intellectual honesty. Even taking Jehovah's Witnesses out of the picture, we live in an age where the information isn't as important as the spin, and the agenda behind the spin. There is always a reason to disagree, to not do something, and to demonize those who disagree with you. So the passion, however legitimate and real it is, oftentimes is more important then getting it right. People who have all kinds of opinions, (some of whom I bet don't agree with it but are caught up in a groups agenda,) suddenly sacrifice their intellectual honesty for the agenda of the group they are with.

  Welcome to 2010.

  It's hard to look at the world pragmatically, and realize that today's world is all about the louder argument, not the one rooted in calm fact.

  It's even more difficult to try and find one's way in this world and trying to figure out if the opinions you have and hold dear are really your thought out opinions, or a group's agenda that you have agreed to join.

  Whatever you decide to argue, may your opinions truly be your own. Hopefully, we can all learn the lesson of the value of arguing, vs the value of compromise and working together, the value of honesty, and the value of facts. These aren't skills that are taught at your local Kingdom Hall.
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  What's the silliest, funniest, stupidest, most embarassing thing you ever did on the platform?

  by dissed in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its friday evening and after being trapped in our home all week with over 2 meters (6 ft) of snow on the ground and more coming........ i feel the need to get a little silly.. so, as no one here really knows me, i can share one of lifes embarassing moments from the kh.

  seeing as it's my question, i get to go first.. during the bible review, i accidentally used the s**t word.

  my wife gave me a "wth" look.

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  I recall stomping off the stage as a MS after giving the announcments because the next elder was and old idiot and I had enough of his bullshit. I spent his entire SM part in the Mens room.

  I remember at Gilead being tired and Noumair made a comment about me being awake, to which I looked at him and made the most polite "ha ha I'm kidding, not really" response back to him. My ex shot me a quick glance and we moved on. Trust me, Noumair knew I meant more then my words projected.

  Come to think of it, that wasn't embarrasing at all.