Posts by AllTimeJeff

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How many Elders does it take to change a light bulb?

by karter in

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AllTimeJeff

The elders will wait for the CO visit to blame it one a couple of their number. A couple of ministerial servants who are reaching out will blame these elders two. No one will notice the color of their noses.

When the CO visits, he will ask the pioneer sisters how long the lightbulb will be out. The PO's wife will get with the CO's wife and complain about the lightbulb and the two elders who are responsible for this condition.

The CO will bring this up at the Servant/Elders meeting Friday. The two hot shot ministerial servants will offer their coached replies in front of the elders, looking more and more like they will be appointed. After being dismissed, the CO will pull out 1 WT bound volume, 2 letters to the elders and the flock book, and read everything ver batim. Though none of it applies, at the end of it, because the CO says it applies, it will. It will all go in a supplementary letter to the Service Dept, nicely worded, which will "recommend" that the two elders no longer qualify for allowing the light bulb to get burnt out.

Once this report comes back, two elders will be deleted, two more appointed, and the light bulb will be changed by 2 elders sons, both in their late teens, who will be "reaching out" and appointed at the next CO visit because they don't have enough MS's now.

Moral of the story. Kiss a lot of ass.

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How Do You Feel Being Thought Of As An "Apostate"?

by minimus in

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does it bother you if witnesses regard you as an apostate?.

AllTimeJeff

JW's have their own vocabulary, always have. They call it "the pure language." We all call it "bullshit".

They say I "disassociated." I say, I resigned. I still want all my friends, I just don't try to reach out to them.... yet. I haven't disassociated myself from my friends. That is a term of legal convenience for the cult leaders.

The fact is, only the GB and loyal teet suckers at Bethel view me as an Apostate. Others view me as sad, they might miss me, and yeah, I no longer believe JW dogma.

The real irony is this: Jehovah's Witnesses are a religion whose primary function, (what they are best known for, the door to door preaching work) is a work designed to make apostates out of people from other religions, to demonize in their mind their current religion in the hopes that they will apostasize from that religion and join JW's.

Jehovah's Witnesses are a religion full of apostates. The fact that they don't realize that hypocritical irony shows that they are around the stench of their own dogmatic bullshit so much they can't tell the difference of the smell they generate.

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Social Networking Media to Hasten the Demise of Watchtower

by Scott77 in

the social networking media technologies like facebook, will over the years, continue to present insurmountable challenges to the growith, stability and eventual demise of the watchtower as an organisation.

realizing this inevitabilty, its therefore easy to predict that over the coming years, more and more talk about the perceived 'threat' of internet will be part of standard talks in kingdom halls, assemblies and convections.. what do you think about that?

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AllTimeJeff

I agree with those who predict a generational transition affecting the WTBTS. (boy, I think the GB is going to end up hating the word "generation" soon)

For every year that passes in the information age, more and more, people in the West esp are going to view suspiciously any person or group that tries to demonize the internet. Too much work is done, too much of our economy is tied on the ability to get on the internet. It is in school. Hell, emails rule, IM's rule.

So every generation (there's that word again) from here on out will be less and less inclined to believe what the GB says about the internet. There is a group that is current and that the GB has in its control that they probably don't worry about too much.

Where the internet and Social Networking is going to hurt is in future growth prospects. We are already seeing evidence of that with their move from Brooklyn to rural NY State, and the fact that 3rd world countries are growing at a far greater rate, while Western countries, even Japan, are regressing, exactly because they go online and see the lies.

The fact is, that when a believing JW dares go online to see what is said about JW's, and they see us "apostates", they know that it is true. And they aren't peeking on the internet just for the hell of it. They know something just isn't right about what is going on, and they can sniff the paranoia of the GB, and they want to know why they can't see what others are saying about JW's.

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Obama AG Critical of a Law He Admited He Had Not Read!!!

by XJW4EVR in

stand alone video is not available as of this posting.

however, if you skip ahead on this cspan video to 2:45:05, you can see for yourself how ag holder came to the opinion that sb1070 was unconstitutional.. so when ag holder was on meet the press saying that sb1070 "has the possibility of leading to racial profiling" he really did not know what he was talking about, because he had not read the law.

when ag holder called law's passage "unfortunate," and questioned whether the law was unconstitutional because it tried to assume powers that may be reserved for the federal government he really did not know what he was talking about because he hadn't read the law.. in the above video, holder said that he was basing his comments on what he had heard from the media.

AllTimeJeff

You don't have to like Holder or the law, but it is clearly understood by all. The media has correctly pointed out the potential for racial profiling.

The AG doesn't have time to read every law. In this case where a law specifically allows for racial profiling, (which it does) and Holder alludes to the many sources that have illuminated this and reported it, what does it prove?

Are you saying that Holder is in ignoramous that gets his opinions on laws from the local news? Ok. Thats your right. I sincerely disagree.

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Any Habs fans?

by 5thGeneration in

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great game.. congratulations..

AllTimeJeff

Uh yeah. Not really.

Well, the Pens better use the off season to rest up and find some defensemen who actually play defense. Maybe a winger for Crosby that can shoot.

I say we trade Malkin.

Les Habitants better enjoy this, cause it isn't happening next year. They caught lightening in a bottle this year, so congrats to their holding, clutching, slow as an oil slick game. Rocket Richard is rolling in his grave.

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

I know, Mad Sweeny. And I think that many would if told, do that. But I personally see that hypothetical number as I said before, is broke down by being an educated (less supertitous) westerner vs a more isolated (and more superstitious) 3rd worlder.

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

Agonus, JW's are a cult, and I respect the discussion and your opinion. I disagree on that aspect of JW's being a suicide cult.

There are Catholics who would kill themselves for their church, and soldiers do the same thing in offering their lives for what they think is a greater cause. It's all a measure of degrees and devotedness.

But suicide cults are as they are not because of their flock, but because of the leadership. JW's do not have the leadership to do this, simply because since 1976, they are ruled by committee.

The best shot JW's ever had of being a suicide cult was when Rutherford was around. Since then, there isn't the circumstances, and there won't be, for this to happen.

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

The GB doesn't need to do a Jonestown when they are essentially grandfathered in as an American religion. With the amount of control they have won from the Supreme Court, there is no need, no rational, foreseeable reason that they will ever turn into a suicide cult.

That isn't to minimize all the damage they have done, nor does it forgive those that have died due to their weird idiotic doctrine. But, (as cold as this sounds) the deaths that have resulted doesn't indicate a suicide cult. There is a difference.

They are still reprehensible. (The GB that is...)

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

Mad Sweeny, I don't think the scenarios that have been brought up that could allow JW's to turn into a suicide cult are at all reasonable. And I think that discussions like this, while understandable and legitimate to a point, are also pure fiction,

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

Thats true leavingWT, but at the same time, while believers in cults WILL do most anything, it is my very strong assertion that JW's aren't that kind of cult and that the GB won't ever come to a point where this will ever happen.

There are better ways to discredit cults then comparing every cult to Jonestown. Most cults don't kill their members. Practically all cults isolate and control in their own way, but most are not suicide cults.

For the purposes of this board, Jehovah's Witnesses are indeed a cult, and some of their dogma does indeed result in needless suffering and death. However, they are by definition not a suicide cult, and as currently constituted, that will not change.