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AllTimeJeff
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Religious Reform
by Maze inas a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?
the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.
1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .
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Religious Reform
by Maze inas a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?
the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.
1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .
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AllTimeJeff
*sigh* I will indulge the poor persecuted Maze since I haven't been here in a while.
Maze, I have one question. Do you still want to be a JW?
Just answer yes or no. I am not trying to bait you.
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So What's the Point?
by AllTimeJeff ini am back after several months to tell you all that i am cured!
that's right, i am no longer an ex jw.
i can go around and pretend that i was never knocking on doors.
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AllTimeJeff
Hey there Palmtree. Doing well. Getting better all the time. :)
Sweeny, I think that former JW's are so programmed with "the truth" thing in there heads, that it takes time to realize and understand that there are many truths, not just one.
The only truth that needs to be (belief system wise) is yours.
That's why it is good not to let JW's like Maze sh*t stir and get you upset. The truth is, I don't care about JW's anymore. They are a fringe group that I happened to be born into. Now that I am living a "normal" life, they are still a fringe group that I no longer belong to.
I've learned it's good not to chase down crazy groups and try to show them how wrong they are. They don't need a lecture, they need meds.
That pesky person in the mirror is worthy of a lot more of your attention then JW's.
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Religious Reform
by Maze inas a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?
the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.
1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .
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AllTimeJeff
Hi Maze. Having been to Gilead (class 119, thanks for asking) and all the "studying" and "knowledge" that comes with that, all I can tell you is, you're wrong. JW's are wrong.
But if you want to continue to believe that JW's are right and that you want to still be one, be my guest!
See you in 2014. ;)
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Seven Thousand Year Creative Day still being taught (as of 2005)
by VM44 inhere is a photo of a gilead instructor (br.
liverance) teaching a class on chronology.. the photo appears in a blog entry dated 5-21-2005.. note the "6,000" and "1,000" periods in the timeline drawn on the whiteboard.. i thought the 7,000 year creative day was no longer taught, but apparently it still is at gilead, at least in the year 2005.. (picture cannot be embedded here for some reason, so here is the link to it).
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ydnht0xya-4/sbukuolyzei/aaaaaaaaacs/t-rgxaammbg/s1600-h/chronology+%28br.+liverance%29.jpg.
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AllTimeJeff
Hehe. That picture is the back of my head. That's Wally Liverance. Talking about the 7000 years. I know who took that picture too.
All I can tell you after 6 years is that uh, he had it wrong. ;)
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So What's the Point?
by AllTimeJeff ini am back after several months to tell you all that i am cured!
that's right, i am no longer an ex jw.
i can go around and pretend that i was never knocking on doors.
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AllTimeJeff
First of all, hi there. I am back after several months to tell you all that I am CURED! That's right, I am no longer an ex JW. I can go around and pretend that I was never knocking on doors. Just like season 8 of Dallas, it never happened.
No wait, I am supposed to be pissed off forever. Forgot, sorry.
Actually, I don't mean to be preachy. I took some time off from this site just to see if I would notice JW's in normal life. I didn't. They don't come to my door. They have KH's all over the place, but no one cares about them.
I know why I care, why we care. We were in it.
I always felt (speaking for me) that my mistake was thinking I needed to "save" JW's. YOU don't need saving.
It is amusing to see the variety of different points of view on this site. So many people thinking they are right. And they are right. For them.
What's right for you?
That's the only question you need to work out. It doesn't matter to me whether you or I disagree. Yeah, I think a lot of people don't have it right. As I recall in my past, I left the company of people I disagree with.
The point to me after being out for several years now is to simply be done with the angst if possible. Being angry and negative I KNOW is wrong.
Beyond that, you're on your own. No really, you always were. Listen to yourself, learn to trust yourself. You are fundamentally ok. You always were. :)
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AllTimeJeff
The ultimate hypocrisy is that Jehovah's Witnessees are taught that their main activity of preaching, which in actuality is a 100 year old + campaign designed to get people of other faiths to look at critical and unflattering aspects of their traditions with the explicit aim of getting them to leave and then convert to the JW point of view.....
.... is exactly what JW's are not allowed to do.
They cannot examine with freedom unflattering aspects of their history, nor to ponder what all of the failed prophecies and questionable decisions in their totality show as to the JW claim of being the one true religion.
If ANY religion had in the 20th century, produced the sheer amount of garbage that the WTBTS has, (as demonstrated by Terry's montage) the Watchtower would publish it as evidence of a lying religion in 3 straight months of magazines.
To bad, they are the liars.
The truth is, the only religion that JW's can't examine, or point out the negative history about, is their own.
Lying, thieving hypocrites. That is the real truth about JW's.
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AllTimeJeff
Barr was nice. Didn't assert himself while all kinds of ridiculousness surrounded him. I give him props for not letting the smell of his own shit intoxicate him. Beyond that, he went along with the GB cabal for over 30 years. He was at best an enabler of religious and spiritual abuse.
Sometimes, even former JW's wonder why Ray Franz is given the respect he gets when for decades he supported the organization. The answer lies in his bizarro opposite, Jack Barr.
Both were considered humble men who actually cared about the people they ruled over oversaw. The difference was that Ray spoke out. Jack Barr didn't. He went along with all of it. I don't really care if Ray was an ass, and Barr was really super nice. Ray was principled. Barr wasn't. End of story as far as I am concerned.
I have always maintained that most elder bodies are like the GB. A bunch of men with power, who consider more personnel issues then bible doctrine. Barr was privy to it all. Regardless of his reasons for going along with it all, the fact is, that he went along with it all. He knew about the pedophiles. The changed prophecies. Anyone at Bethel can tell you that personalities rule among the GB.
I am sure Barr hoped "Jehovah" would take care of matters in his time. It's always the excuse of cowards to wait for someone else to act when they have the power to do something. If you have the power, do something, or otherwise, here's your sign. COWARD.
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AllTimeJeff
May he rest in peace.
He led the life of Riley on the surface, living into his 90's, never having to pay for anything.
Yet, it's hard to be at peace when you know what he did. The pedophile issues. Generation changes. Watching the very clear personality issues and conflicts on a body of leaders that should have exemplified godliness, and instead, glorified politics and pettiness.
He watched all the prophecies NOT come true. Sadly, he had to go to bed at night, if not admitting, then at least knowing on some level, that he, they, "we" were wrong.
So he might be at rest. I doubt the being at peace part.
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The Greatest Gift (no one is guaranteed tomorrow)
by AllTimeJeff ini was watching a movie on cable this week, and was impressed.
it was about a woman who chose prostitution, in part to live out a life of lust.
the movie is more about her journey to learn about herself.
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AllTimeJeff
It's not that leaving JW's is a happy thing, because we all need to learn, or relearn a lot of things about the world. We need to learn how to see ourselves again. In some cases, we may not know who we truly are.
Believe me, if you are just leaving, there is no way you are happy right now on certain levels. The fact that life is so short though, to me, means that we don't spend any more time being angry and bitter then we have to, and move on.
I know its been said so many times here before, and I hope it doesn't become trite, but the best revenge against the GB is to live well and be happy. They are the ones who say if you leave that you are angry and without hope. Puleeze! The more former JW's go on to live normal, happy lives, the better for the group that wants to leave. It's also another false prophecy by the GB.
I remember so many times as an elder talking about those who had left, and how they couldn't possibly be happy. I didn't understand of course. We all comforted ourselves by saying "WE" were happy while "THEY" couldn't possibly be happy. That's what JW's do. That's how they are trained to think. That's why it is imperative that if we really want to prove the GB wrong, the only thing to do is move on without them and be happy.
It's never that simple. But happiness is a journey, not a destination. It all starts with that first step.