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  Jesus was just a man?

  by Joey Jo-Jo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  according to this video, jesus was just a man, but were can i find these books that speak of this.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23vv6moyf0&feature=related.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Jesus was a man. The

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  Could you eat breakfast after watching this at Bethel?

  by Dogpatch in

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  2. friends

  this is a partial video of the morning breakfast table in brooklyn bethel in the late 80s, with lyman swingle hosting... the governing body member who at first tried to shelter ray franz from disfellowshipping, but then within a year or two his spirit was broken and he was a bitter man.. randy (i was there and it was death-dealing, like the death eaters from harry potter!).

  address of windows media file if you don't see anything:.

  http://www.randytv.com/swinglebreakfast.wmv.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Marking for tomorrow. Morning worship sucks. I got to do one days text comments, and of course found out I was on my way to Cameroon, all while being filmed from the dining room of Patterson.

  I have no problem in saying that the dining room of Patterson sucks as far as I am concerned. Glad to have moved on.
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  Seeing JWs in public...

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was reading terry's experience of running into dubs at the car wash and his feelings aftewards.

  thought i'd share my experience on a new thread instead of interrupting his.. i saw some dubs yesterday myself.

  better stated - i thought i saw some dubs.. sunday mornings for me since leaving the jw faith consist of going to either a starbucks or a locally owned coffee shop and enjoying my coffee, danish and newspaper in a nice leather chair with ottoman.

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  AllTimeJeff

  I always feel like I am a fly on the wall when I identify JW's in my radar...

  First of all, JW's are DD, not Starbucks.

  I know what goes on. Think about the stated mission of the JW's (preaching is THE life saving work) vs the uncommunicated message of the all to infamous JW coffee break. (holy crap this is soul killing drudgery, lets get some coffee)

  I feel sorry all the time whenever I see a JW. Even more when I see a group. You can see the confusion reign, the conflicted emotions....

  They are a bit of an endangered species though, don't you think? ;)
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  What was something that you loved but were denied as a JW?

  by Chemical Emotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i could go on and on about all the things i loved, but i'll keep it brief and just mention one, rather trivial thing: music.

  i love grunge and punk, and occasionally heavy metal, and can't listen to a lot of it as a witness..

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  So How Much Does the New World Translation Cost?

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  2. friends

  you can't make this up.

  i just got back from half price books around where i live...... .

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  AllTimeJeff

  Used 4 volume large print edition, on sale for $200
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  So How Much Does the New World Translation Cost?

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you can't make this up.

  i just got back from half price books around where i live...... .

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  AllTimeJeff

  You can't make this up. I just got back from Half Price Books around where I live.....

  
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  Governing Body readying the Witness community

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  stop asking decide for yourself!

  today i uploaded a new article highlighting the method of choice by watchtowers current governing body for dealing with problematic details haunting its doctrines.

  moving forward the current governing body will expand on this theme.

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  AllTimeJeff

  The new GB has all kinds of challenges, not the least of which is every Wednesday, when they have their weekly meetings, getting rid of that "WTF are we going to do now?" expression.

  Some here think that JW's are on their last legs. No way. Until they sell all assets in NYC and finish their move to the hills, the dynamic WILL absoltely change. Unavoidable. Until that time, it will be difficult to predict direction of if/when their ultimate demise will happen. But they have a solid decade of slow decline, not 5 years until the implode.

  I have a feeling that these new GB's are waiting and biding their time to introduce something new.

  If I were to put myself in their shoes, this is how I would be, and how I am guessing they are.

  First, they are cynical. They know EVERYTHING. Have all the notes and access. They KNOW that 1914 is a crock. This group just waited out the death of Jaracz and Barr, and now, no one is from the old GB that taught 3 different versions of generation, 1914, etc. They also know, deep down, that they are full of shit too, and that they have to pretend to one another that they are holy and spirit appointed.

  I am sure they have discussed the "what's next" question.

  What's next is what's happening. Moving out of NYC, and into the hills.

  What happens after? I think they cut their losses. After the move, financially, they will do their best to calculate what another make over doctrinally will cost them in contributing believers, and decide accordingly.

  That is what my gut tells me. They are taking the next 5 years to get ready to gut their own theological throats and reinvent JW's, but only after they have enough cash in the bank to pull it off.
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  Why There Are No Absolutes with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a thought occurred to me as i read a couple of posts asking about policy questions.

  many who leave jw's seem curious and surprised that someone can be disfellowshipped or get in trouble and yet another fellow jw does the same thing and nothing happens to them?.

  so they ask,' what's the policy'?

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  AllTimeJeff

  A thought occurred to me as I read a couple of posts asking about policy questions. Many who leave JW's seem curious and surprised that someone can be disfellowshipped or get in trouble and yet another fellow JW does the same thing and nothing happens to them?

  So they ask,' what's the policy'? Then they blame the elders.

  While it is NEVER a bad idea to blame the elders, the elders are generally doing what they are told.... by the CO and the Service Dept.

  The Governing Body and their mouthpiece to the elders, the Service Dept, have become adept through decades of experience of being what I like to call "unyieldingly flexible."

  We all know that whenever it suits their purpose, a brother or sister can either be removed or retained/appointed as a pioneer/MS/elder. The verbiage and logic they use though upsets many in and outside of JW's.

  I just wanted to comment on this point: If you are looking for that smoking gun where the GB doesn't follow it's own rules, well, they are always changing them anyway. Do you think a religion that hung it's hat on 1914 and a horrible idea of what the word "generation" would let their own bylaws for elders and oversight get in the way for what they want?

  The GB is the 800 pound gorilla. They take the bible, a book that is as ambiguous as Gary Busey on a bender, then translate their own copy of it without really knowing how to translate, and can make it say whatever they want.

  Even when they contradict themselves, the GB is right. That is because even though they aren't spirit appointed, they are spirit directed.

  See, if they can make shit like that up and sell it, what chance does anyone have?

  (pssst. that's why its a cult.)

  So don't think of JW's as a factory that has ISO 9001 standards. They have only what is immedietely expedient to them.

  I have written a lot about this over the years here on this site and on freeminds about one simple point: The GB is all about them, never about you.

  So don't look for absolutes or any consistency. All they care about is finding people they can fool, trick, and keep donating, either their time or their money, so that they can continue on their delusion of grandeur binge that has now lasted well over 100 years.

  Peace to all. Tonight I'm gonna party like its 2014!
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  Theology

  by sabastious in

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  theology is the study of religion and religions are human systems of spirituality.

  it could then be said that theology is the study of the applications of human spirituality.

  human spirituality is a chosen way of life.

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  AllTimeJeff

  "What I want is for people to make an informed decision based on evidence, not deception or ignorance. I think you could even agree with this."

  We all can agree on this. The problem godrulz is that you are spouting a version of "truth" that isn't true.
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  So, as it turns out, I was quite the Zombie.

  by stray in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm a young man.

  happily drifting.

  the lie was my life.

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  Stray, I think that because you are leaving for the inhumane treatment of people, you will be a powerful force for good in the lives of others. I wish you the best.