Posts by AllTimeJeff

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Questions From Thinkers

by Perry in

how do you explain david's graphic portrayal of jesus' death by crucifixion (psalm 22) 1000 years before christ lived?.

how do you account for the odds (1 in 10 to the 157th power) that even just 48 (of 300) old testament prophecies were fulfilled in jesus christ?.

in what sense was jesus a "good man" if he was lying in his claim to be god?.

AllTimeJeff

Why are you feeding the martyr.

"DON'T FEED THE MARTYR"

Read Perry's older stuff. If you believe, fine. If you don't, fine. Same bullsh*t, different day.

Perry, what bothers me isn't your beliefs (different from facts for us thinkin folk). It is that you want to argue over shit you can't prove.

Big deal. I mean seriously. You talk about Jesus? Not here. No one has seen him yet.

You want to justify the claims of a book that is 2000 years old with one that is 3000? We need to get your kids and take them to safety!

Anyway, carry on. I'm sure my little rant will make you feel more persecuted. That's the point isn't it? Because if you are trying to point where Jesus is, you should try pointing in another direction.

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

AllTimeJeff

As I always like to point out, IF Jesus exists as god, he's really chill about people being themselves.

So many opinions, so little evidence, yet ALL of you are right. Right?

Riiight.

Still waiting for Jesus to do Perry's talking for him. ;)

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

AllTimeJeff

Well, that's good to know....

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Need some advice

by craigulous in

to all my new friends, i need some advice.

as i posted in my original post i am not disfellowshipped, i just did a fade as i believe everyone here calls it.

i have great parents who are still part of the organization, and do not pressure me, but at the same time i must live a lie, and they have no problem with me living a lie, as long as they are comfortable.

AllTimeJeff

Since you asked for opinions, I will give you mine. Please know I respect whatever difficult decision you feel you must make.

In short, I blew up the bridge, left my "cushy" JW position and family to find me and be me.

So guess what my advice is? :)

But we may not be alike. However, from the tone of your first post, I would 100% agree with your wife. She sounds wise. :)

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Reading is NOT Overrated!

by White Dove in

how do you read?.

i find myself attracted to certain authors and book series.. which reminds me, i need to download the grapes of wrath.. i love steinbeck's writing of historical fiction.

looking into the history of frontier america is so interesting when written in story form.. i read from most genres.. what's your poison?.

AllTimeJeff

I'm into a lot of self improvement books. They have improved my life immeasurably.

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Are religionists and atheists on the same team?

by Fernando in

do they both lead people away from god?.

AllTimeJeff

I agree with NC. I don't worship god because I was told a lie about god. I don't believe in god because there is no evidence that a god who should be worshipped exists. I also believe that if god does exist, she would totally understand why I would be skeptical. My first question would be, "Where have you been?"

You know, if I know someone has been lied to, I point them to where the truth lies. So, if god exists, don't tell me I was lied to, and don't tell me the evidence is there. Show me. And then let me read it.

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Are religionists and atheists on the same team?

by Fernando in

do they both lead people away from god?.

AllTimeJeff

I think that the spiritual journey doesnt end with atheism.

I view atheism as a stop on the way to a better understanding of self. When that happens, people tend to be better able to define "god" for themselves better.

Because atheism starts with a more accurate premise, I think it is a better place to start with (not seeing god) as opposed to organized religion (assuming the existence of god)

Who here has seen god?

How many assume the god that they were taught to believe in is the true god?

I don't think that atheists and theists are on the same team, simply because one place starts at a more honest point than the other.

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