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  Describe The Jehovah's Witness Community

  by minimus in

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  in your experience, are witnesses all about love?.

  is the brotherhood really what it is said to be?.

  did you feel the love from "the friends"?.

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  AllTimeJeff

  The JW community changed.

  Of course, they were never what they said. The worldwide brotherhood is true, outside of the western world, but that has as much to with culture and hospitatlity practices as anything.

  Those who are still under the spell of group think mentality and insist on trying to paint a wide variety of people with a small stroke will be disappointed to know that JW's are exactly like any other group.

  When you join:

  • Those that are nice, good and decent continue to be so after they join.
  • Those that were anti social and self righteous before they became JW's continue on afterward. (these tend to our number the meek in many congregations)
  • Those that were meek followers continue to follow
  • Those that were ambitious and goal oriented quickly reach out within the JW hiearchy to attain position and prestige.
  • If someone joined because they thought this was the most loving group, they look for that, find what they want to see, and hang onto it for as long as they can.
  • If someone wants "the truth" and hates religion, they latch onto the company line, often at the expense of people. They become JW's as much for their own purposes. "Jehovah" and the flock become secondary.

  What makes JW's different as a group has nothing to do with the personalities of the group. It has to do with the leadership and their cynical attempt to maintain authority through lies and deceit regarding the bible and their own history.
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  updated GB photos....

  by yknot in

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  2. beliefs

  alphabetically...... jack barr sam herd geof jackson .

  ted jaracz stephen lett gerrit losch.

  tony morris guy pierce david splane.

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  Wiki has it right. Morris was 55 and Jackson was 50 when they were appointed in 2005. I was in Gilead when this was announced. Everyone was shocked and happy. Jackson of all of them had the best sense of humor. He did a dance somewhat like the "Catepillar" for class 119 at a barbecue. He was nice and accessable.

  Imo, the one who will be most like Uncle Ted (i.e. indirect leader) is Splane. Always there, doesn't draw too much attention to himself, but very forceful just the same.
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  An explanation of the evil slave class as explained by the JWS

  by Homerovah the Almighty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one thing that either i've missed or didn't catch a discussion on is about " the evil slave class ".

  thats a labeling they placed on people that voice disagreement in public or privately against jws doctrines and their organization.

  does this refresh a few memories.

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  So they never use that term any more ?

  Yeah, but if you put it that way, it dates you. Most older elders use that term to one degree or another still when discussing us irratating apostates. I don't think you would find anyone under 50 (?) using that term.
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  Who was the biggest Jehovah's Witness rebel?

  by slimboyfat in

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  who was raised a jw and went on to lead life in stark contrast to their upbringing?.

  i have often thought the award should go to dwight eisenhower.

  from a religion that railed against politics and warfare he first invaded western europe and then went on to become president of the united states.

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  If we are talking about rebels, Ray Franz has to be #1. No one has done more to break through the fog of borgbot BS like his leaving.

  Without Crisis of Conscience, how many tens of thousands would have left without a real understanding of what goes on behind the scenes? The expose brought about peace for many people, myself included. I am not burdened by the indoctrination of what happens to people after they leave JW's, and I credit Franz with much of that.
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  Not even say a "greeting" to them...

  by integ in

  1. jw
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  the new co in the area referenced the above quote from the bible during one of his talks recently.

  his point was that we need to get out in the ministry and not take a bunch of breaks in service and stuff.

  he said that jesus told his followers that when he sent them out.

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  Thanks Blondie. My WT Lib is broke....

  I have never thought of this before. I am going to research this as soon as I get my @#$% computer working again.
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  2008 WT Library Question (1st JWN posting too!)

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  okay, i haven't been really paying attention to all the letters read to the congregation in the last two month.. this week it was some stupid announcement about mandarin chinese and the keep book being mp3 audio-ed on jw.org (if a publisher is computer illiterate, a cd can be ordered from the organization-but a brother who is tech savvy should offer to burn one instead of incurring cost to the slave).. then i realize i haven't heard squat about the 2008 wt library (cd or dl?)..

  so i just checked my 07 wtcd and we have daily texts until the week of march 5, 2009 feb 26, 2009.. does anyone have any info on the 2008 wt library?.

  is it going to be a dl or cd?.

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  Which file do I use with it? I can't open the data?

  (sorry for ruining this topic...)
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  Prove the Truth to yourself.

  by integ in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a sister from my "congregation" has a bible study, and this study had compiled a boatload of questions about russell, the wt history, and incongruencies etc.

  and the sister told her that she refuses to answer the questions and that they are apostate teachings.

  she told the study that "it isn't up to me to prove the truth to you, you need to prove the truth to yourself".. as another poster put up the topic of "doesn't it blow your mind?

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  JW's are programmed to say this. If more people would bring these items up, then JW will be even less effective. It will also bring this subject up in a most unpleasant way for the borg, as they don't have control over what non JW's bring out.
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  2008 WT Library Question (1st JWN posting too!)

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  okay, i haven't been really paying attention to all the letters read to the congregation in the last two month.. this week it was some stupid announcement about mandarin chinese and the keep book being mp3 audio-ed on jw.org (if a publisher is computer illiterate, a cd can be ordered from the organization-but a brother who is tech savvy should offer to burn one instead of incurring cost to the slave).. then i realize i haven't heard squat about the 2008 wt library (cd or dl?)..

  so i just checked my 07 wtcd and we have daily texts until the week of march 5, 2009 feb 26, 2009.. does anyone have any info on the 2008 wt library?.

  is it going to be a dl or cd?.

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  Downloading it now. Thanks!!
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  What's "The Perfect Storm" To Become One of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  what ingredients go into making someone become a witness?

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  My observation

  Biggest ingrediant is ALWAYS that the person is somehow dis-satisfied with their life at the moment. Maybe a little disillusioned. I always liked to say then and now that those who are feeling good, have a good family and job usually have no interest in JW's. (It took me 14 years to connect the dots on that one)

  Meeting and studying with a nice JW as opposed to the pricks. Lets face it, it wasn't the most spiritual that got the studies to the KH and then baptized, it was the pubs who were the most gregarious and nice. It was all about personalities nothing more. And ditto some nice love bombing elders once the study got to the KH

  Thats it! To me, everything else is secondary. The formula is always the same, introduce doubt into the current belief system of the study while steadily building JW dogma as Bible dogma. Stress how the NT talks about the need for all to go house to house just like JW's do, plus attend all meetings as the bible says. Rinse and repeat as necesarry.
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  Not even say a "greeting" to them...

  by integ in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the new co in the area referenced the above quote from the bible during one of his talks recently.

  his point was that we need to get out in the ministry and not take a bunch of breaks in service and stuff.

  he said that jesus told his followers that when he sent them out.

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  AllTimeJeff

  This is an example of the informal control the borg has.

  Officially, their "greeting" dogma hasn't changed. And this wouldn't be the first time that a CO has gone rouge and put in his own opinion. It seems his goal is to drum up FS by any means necesarry.

  Good logic though. If that is his take on it, then it totally throws water on the whole JW shunning teaching. That is exactly why I don't think they will ever officially adopt this view of the word "greeting."