i am posing this question to christians.
this is a sincere question..
"I am a former Christian."
"I used to say this a lot as a JW"
Were you one of the 144,000?
According to the WTS and their teachings, the only JWs that are Christians are the members of the 144,000
???
I was part of the 144,000 for aprox 6 hours before I looked in the mirror and had a good laugh.
i sent a link to my new video and told them that they were featured in it.
i hope this induces mass hysteria at the tower office.. i guessed the addresses, and i haven't gotten any error messages.
so if you want to send a message to the gb or anyone else, the address should be:.
119 was allowed to video some of our experiences, but it was discouraged. I do know that some in my class wanted to do video interview of the instructors, and they all declined.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc8an6tibm4&feature=channel.
Yeah, this guy is making fun of fundies.. Check out this one, I pulled a muscle laughing.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc8an6tibm4&feature=channel.
If this isn't comedy, then he nees a drug test. I am still laughing either way....
Is it possible he is trying to show up the folly of born again reasoning with this "swallow without chewing" approach?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc8an6tibm4&feature=channel.
I have to believe that this is a very clever parody of born again Christians. I think. Here is another one of his diatribes....
i am posing this question to christians.
this is a sincere question..
If one believes that the bible is the word of God, one has to believe in the existance of hell. I don't think anyone should go beyond what the bible says about it.
I used to say this a lot as a JW, and I still agree with you. The problem is that frequently, two equally sincere Christians can believe that they are not going beyond what the bible teaches, using their own contradictory texts, and believe themselves right.
this is along the same lines as the hell post and is also a serious question.. how do you view sin?
especially those of you are are christians?
for example, if i do something that i know is wrong but make the choice to do it anyway is that an "unpardonable sin" (ref.
desib77
I agree with you. (and I understand you too. )There is a lot of unexplained phenomenon out there. And I have zero issues with anyone who decides to interpret these phenomenon one way or the other.
As long as those interpretations are personal. But to inflict a conclusion on others while not being intellectually honest, that isn't cool..... But thats what religions do.
To think for yourself and give yoruself permission to think things through while considering the evidence and what your own inner being tells you is a challenge for all ex JW's. Thinking is a muscle that JW's don't get to use much, and it is not comfortable at first. But you will grow as a result.
I wish you the best in your deliberations!
ok, so i recently watched the film religulous, and found it to be very funny.. .
however, i was quite disappointed to see maher "confront" some christians with.
the "fact" that the jesus myth was borrowed pretty nearly whole-cloth from the.
I think at best Maher provides a door to get people to wake up and think about their beliefs
However, if one depends on Maher for real truth, well, god bless them! lol
I think Maher is very funny and very insightful. Scholarship was never the point with this.
A BAD argument for a GOOD cause is worse that no argument at all.
Great point. However, if one does their own research, they will find out all sorts of things Maher didn't even have time to include. I think it a small problem. But you are right, fundies will use it to their advantage.
i am posing this question to christians.
this is a sincere question..
I am a former Christian.
I think that hellfire as is taught traditionally raises logical questions. Location (i.e. where is hell?) is one. What it accomplishes, why it is necesarry is another, more important question imo. What it demonstrates as to "God" is another important question not easily dismissed when one is trying to convince another of the rightness and rightfullness of "God rule".
The key is, do you believe in the interpretation of this doctrine as some teach it in the bible?
If you do, and you have invested your intelligence and emotions into this teaching, then you should be scared.
If you don't, you have nothing to be afraid of.
Until someone brings some real evidence, this is the best anyone can do.
this is along the same lines as the hell post and is also a serious question.. how do you view sin?
especially those of you are are christians?
for example, if i do something that i know is wrong but make the choice to do it anyway is that an "unpardonable sin" (ref.
How do you not invest some curiosity in what they are "selling"? Doesn't "what if" ever haunt you?
Curioiusity is great. And your question I think merits further thought.....
I don't think it healthy for anyone to stay in one place. We must grow, and we must consider the possibilities.
However, it isn't healthy to sacrifice "what is" for "what if".
What we know is that many theists are willing to sacrifice now for the future. It is all positioned on this single thought: The end of your human life isn't the end of you.
Sin = death. (i.e. the end of you) Theists offer life heretofore unseen and unproveable if you agree to worship an invisble god. The only possible thing that could motivate a person to keep this up is to scare them.
"God doesn't approve of you or your actions." "You are sinful." "Believe, exercise faith, or die forever. Believe, and you will live after death."
Death is scary, and it is the biggest bugaboo religion throws at us.
The problem is, despite milleniums of time, not one claim has been proven. Meanwhile, history shows us "what is". That is to say, the effects not of sin, but of the teaching of sin....
There are benefits to those who teach it; power, money, control. Not all use this cynically, but most have.
A discussion of sin obscures the more important discussion regarding aspects of productive human behavior. When we can use the critical analysis and thinking faculties we all posses, we can filter out what is good productive behavior from that which is superstitious and designed to somehow appease the invisible deity, but which in actuality enslaves people to man made religions.
To deny sin isn't to deny that which is right or wrong. It is a different, non theistic perspective that puts humanity and love on a higher priority over sin and trying to appease "god".
