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Did you see Brittney Spears with the snake at the MTV awards a few years ago? It was like that, with a voiceover. ;)
AllTimeJeff
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God and Suffering
by AK - Jeff ina few weeks back, in the midst of the haiti tragedy, much discussion took place in cyberland about the tolerance [or indeed the insistence on] suffering by a loving god.
the furor over haiti has settled a bit [as unfortunately most tragedy is wont to do far too quickly in the human mind], but this persistent matter continues to chew at my subconscience.
today i came across this:.
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God and Suffering
by AK - Jeff ina few weeks back, in the midst of the haiti tragedy, much discussion took place in cyberland about the tolerance [or indeed the insistence on] suffering by a loving god.
the furor over haiti has settled a bit [as unfortunately most tragedy is wont to do far too quickly in the human mind], but this persistent matter continues to chew at my subconscience.
today i came across this:.
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AllTimeJeff
Perry, I am going to restate my answers to your questions. I first answered them by saying, then demonstrating that there was nothing logical with the premise to begin with. You then say that your question wasn't answered. I answered it. You just don't like the answer.
Perry, here are your two questions:
1. What is intrinsically illogical about the biblical explanation about God and Suffering co-existing?
My answer to this are repasted below, just in case you ignored it the first time.
2. Please explain by what possible measure of logic you can employ to prop up your illusion that a JUST GOD will not Judge? For if God refuses to judge people, then this must mean that God is evil....having to ability to judge and refusing to do so.
You are assuming too much here. You are judging it illogical that if god refuses to judge people, that he is evil. Other then the bible, what are you relying on to make this assumption, another personal conversation you had with Jesus?
Enjoy my repeating the answers to question 1 below. If asked, I will repaste it again until you get through in your head that your premise is illogical, thus, any attempts at logically answering your question is wrong. It's like finding the logic in Lord of the Rings. It's still fiction.
Bon apetite.
Oh, the illogic of the Bible, with Seas parting, Floods happening, families through incest (Lot and his merry daughters) and the "investigation" of Sodom and Gomorrah before they were "salted" away.
And that's just Genesis and Exodus.
Yup, lots of logic.....
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Until someone can logically explain why God "allows" suffering and doesn't step in, I could give a rats behind about the reconciliation. But here is one thing you have stated over and over.
We are born sinful.
Thats right, that little baby is doomed unless he accepts what, in your mind Perry, is the only way to reconciliation with god. Jesus.
That baby will grow, develop all kinds of personality traits, might even be born in China, or a Muslim country, where logically, they are doomed because they won't accept Jesus.
Doomed. Baby. Born dead unless he accepts Christ. Doomed because our original parents ate a piece of fruit after a discussion of good vs evil with a snake.
Logic?
Your premise is wrong. Always has been. You fight this point because without it, you would have to back off a lot of your statements, but you can't prove logically why we are alienated from god without the illogical Genesis account. Genesis is an allegory at best. Without accepting that I am in need of reconciliation based on the 2 naked people and snake story, I have no need for your snake oil.
You refuse to see that sin is a control mechanism of religion, of which, you personally have bought. Again and again, I respect your right to view things exactly as you do for you. But to argue it for others in the manner you do, and I must object.
No logic. Premise based on fairy tales. That is what you believe in Perry.
So in view of the foregoing, why would I try to find the illogic in the reconciliation of Jesus when the whole thing is illogical?
In short, your starting line belief that we are sinners in need of reconciliation based on the eating of a fruit by 2 naked people in some garden in the middle east after being talked into it by a snake is illogical. It's all downhill from there.
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I'm Thinking of Becoming Canadian
by AllTimeJeff ini am sort of digging the olympics.
plus, i used to live in a state that really should be annexed by canada anyway, michigan.
but i love hockey, autumn, maple syrup, and cold weather.
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I have a crush on Canada right now. But my love will always be the USA. (that isn't to say I won't get some 'Canada' on the side whenever I can )
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I'm Thinking of Becoming Canadian
by AllTimeJeff ini am sort of digging the olympics.
plus, i used to live in a state that really should be annexed by canada anyway, michigan.
but i love hockey, autumn, maple syrup, and cold weather.
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Shamus, I can be a marxist, Che loving, maple syrup eating poylgamist?
I'll get you some bannanas....
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How do you cope with a zealous JW wife?
by eyesthatsee ini've been out for a little while now - fading was my chosen strategy.
before then, elder for around 20 years - all the usual stuff.. why leave?
(1) reading other material and thinking for yourself - never too late (2) couldn't stomach any more judicial committees where i had to preside over handing out edicts that were going to wreck peoples' lives (3) final realisation that i'm not going to let my children die because of the false 'blood' interpretation (4) nail in the coffin, which opened my eyes to the 'rotteness at the core' of the organisation, was the deliberate mis-quoting of scientists and others, to make a lie seem like truth.. anyway, my wife (both pioneered together) is as zealous as ever - more so now.
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AllTimeJeff
Hi there. I went through the same thing with my ex JW wife. I totally understand. When we got back from our missionary assignment because of some bad stuff that happened to me, she went around at the next CA telling everyone that she feels like she just lost a child. (mind you, she never had kids, and it was totally disrespectful of those that had that happen) But thats the kind of nutcase JW's breed.
It's been two years for you, and there is no doubt, as you are a former elder and know, that she is being coached. I have no answers. You don't have to do what I did, but at the same time, you do need to take care of yourself and be realistic and pragmatic.
I sent you a PM.
Wish you the best my brother.
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I'm Thinking of Becoming Canadian
by AllTimeJeff ini am sort of digging the olympics.
plus, i used to live in a state that really should be annexed by canada anyway, michigan.
but i love hockey, autumn, maple syrup, and cold weather.
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I moved from Florida in 1995. My adult life has been spent elsewhere....
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Of Dragon Tales... and Other Things, Well, "Dragon-ish"...
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and all who go with... may you have peace!.
on various occasions here i have "jumped with joy" when something i was given by our lord was later substantiated by something "written.
" i know that very often i share things that are "hard to understand," let alone believe.
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Hi there Shelby
I was just curious. I didn't mean anything other then I was a little tired when I read it and thought I would clarify. I know that you believe your god talks to you, and you mentioned the conversation with another person, so I was a small bit confused.
Hope your Sunday is going well!
ATJeff of the Easily Confused Class.
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I'm Thinking of Becoming Canadian
by AllTimeJeff ini am sort of digging the olympics.
plus, i used to live in a state that really should be annexed by canada anyway, michigan.
but i love hockey, autumn, maple syrup, and cold weather.
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Btw, its USA v Canada today. That is going to rock.
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I'm Thinking of Becoming Canadian
by AllTimeJeff ini am sort of digging the olympics.
plus, i used to live in a state that really should be annexed by canada anyway, michigan.
but i love hockey, autumn, maple syrup, and cold weather.
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AllTimeJeff
I grew up only a few miles south of there. I'll bet you dollars to donuts we have probably met at the Assembly Hall on Griffin Road. Hell, we were even born the same year.
Were you in the same circuit with Jimmy Pasacarella and Clare Gullickson? I bet we did meet.....
Fred Franz is trying to buy his way out of Hell by selling his books! The madmen have shaved off Russell's beard and forced him to actually have sex for the first time! With a duck!
Farkel we all create our own hells. Franz is probably around 50 Catholic female massage therapists. I have no doubt that Russell has by now heard of Aflac.
My hell would be living in a world with only VH1. Nothing but "reality" TV 24/7.
Not hard at all. Just gimme a big ring and we can get hitched next weekend. We can honeymoon in Cuba.
Cool. I hope polygamy is allowed in Canada. That would be about perfect..
"O Canada, we stand on guard for thee"
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Of Dragon Tales... and Other Things, Well, "Dragon-ish"...
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and all who go with... may you have peace!.
on various occasions here i have "jumped with joy" when something i was given by our lord was later substantiated by something "written.
" i know that very often i share things that are "hard to understand," let alone believe.
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Hi there Shelby.
I have a serious question for you, did you just get this from JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH or was this from a couple of days ago?
Much peace to you.
ATJeff of the JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH doesn't talk to me class.
