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  144,000

  by faundy in

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  i used to consider myself a pretty 'good' witness, so i'm ashamed i have to ask this!.

  please can someone tell me where the number 144,000 comes from?

  i understand the twelve tribes of jacob, and 12x12, but why 12,000 out of each tribe?

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  faundy

  Thanks guys, very helpful.

  Leolaia, your depth of knowledge never fails to baffle me.
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  144,000

  by faundy in

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  i used to consider myself a pretty 'good' witness, so i'm ashamed i have to ask this!.

  please can someone tell me where the number 144,000 comes from?

  i understand the twelve tribes of jacob, and 12x12, but why 12,000 out of each tribe?

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  faundy

  I used to consider myself a pretty 'good' witness, so I'm ashamed I have to ask this!

  Please can someone tell me where the number 144,000 comes from? I understand the twelve tribes of Jacob, and 12x12, but why 12,000 out of each tribe? My mate wants to know (and so do I!)

  Thanks in advance.
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  So it's over. Again.

  by faundy in

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  three years ago i told a close friend in australia that i was gay.

  as a witness, she cut me off.

  i wasn't surprised.

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  Sass- I totally get where you're coming from; the memories of how much it hurts will always be there, but you get over it and move on. But she came back into my life, and left again, and this time I wasn't going to let her go without telling her what I really thought!

  I feel sorry for her husband; he's studying, and I think it's just to make her happy. I hope he doesn't continue with it, as it will consume his life and he'll never be able to think for himself again. Ignorance is bliss sometimes!
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  So it's over. Again.

  by faundy in

  1. jw
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  three years ago i told a close friend in australia that i was gay.

  as a witness, she cut me off.

  i wasn't surprised.

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  Thanks for everyone'e thoughts and comments on this; it's easier this time around. Now I just have to deal with whether I keep pictures of the two of us in my house or not.... that's a difficult one!
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  So it's over. Again.

  by faundy in

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  three years ago i told a close friend in australia that i was gay.

  as a witness, she cut me off.

  i wasn't surprised.

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  I don't have enough hate in me to be horrible to her, sorry. And I don't think spouting apostate stuff would help my case any, either.
  
  As for being angry and telling her exactly what's going on, my best friend Laura did that for me, here's the email she sent to CJ in my defense:
  
  
  My name is Laura and I am writing to you as Stephanie's best friend. I have known Stephanie for ten years. Stephanie has supported me through school, my Dads illness and eventually his death. She supported me when I fell pregnant and through my trouble accepting this, she supported me through my Mums accident that left her paralysed and now that I am her full time carer to her she is the first person I go to when I have a problem. Stephanie is a wonderful friend and a fantastic role model for my two year old daughter who she cares for deeply. Now here is the mind boggling part of this for you....Stephanie manages all of this whilst being gay.... a shock I know that who she chooses to love doesn't affect her ability to be a thoroughly decent person.
  
  I am a Christian and pray to God, I pray that people such as yourselves and quite frankly all other Witnesses are forgiven for their small mindedness and utter betrayal of people that was once your close friend.
  
  I spoke to Stephanie today and she is upset that you are soon to be reinstated (the definition of reinstate is 'to restore to a former rank or condition', and I have never agreed with Collins English dictionary more as that is exactly what you are: conditioned) therefore unable to speak to her. Is this because somebody (some elder somewhere) has told you not to? My daughter is two and if somebody told her not to talk to somebody because that person chooses something different to you I would quite honestly tell her to grow up and stop being a pathetic mouthpiece.
  
  I am very angry at not just you but at all Jehovahs Witnesses and hope one day that you will knock on my door so I can speak to you directly, as unlike yourselves I am not afraid and hide behind an elder somewhere.
  
  Stephanie is gay, and your problem is......shes happy? In love? Knows what she wants in life? Has a future? Please tell me as I am struggling to get to grips with what exactly the problem is. God means love and forgiveness, quite frankly it is you who should be forgiven by Stephanie, and unfortunately I think she will as she is that kind of person.
  
  I very much doubt you are still reading this as from my experience with the people Stephanie used to waste her time with, they don't like hearing things back, and yes you will probably forward this to an elder that you see once a month and they will tut tut, but I had to get my opinion across, for years now I have listened in complete anger at my friend telling me of stories of grown adults, supposedly mature people ignoring her in the street because she is gay.
  
  To tell Stephanie that in your heart you will be giving her a huf is possibly the most patronising thing I have ever heard, it won't worry me that much though as your hug from your heart, is nothing compared to a hug from Stephanie. Hug away, after all your heart seems so capable of such kind gestures. Are the elders aware you are subconsciously sending a former Witness hugs, is this allowed???!!!
  
  Your complete and utter loss at having Stephanie in your life (and one day you will realise that) is our complete and utter gain as it means Stephanie has space for a new friend that deserves her. Stephanie is a wonderful person, loving, kind and generous and to simplify things for, far too good for you.
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  So it's over. Again.

  by faundy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  three years ago i told a close friend in australia that i was gay.

  as a witness, she cut me off.

  i wasn't surprised.

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  My mate wrote the most beautiful email to her, just saying that CJ was simply shallow and blinded. I loved her for that, makes me reliase who my true friends were. This is the final letter I wrote to her:

  Hello,

  I know you are going through a hard time at the moment, struggling with feeling low and wanting to do what you tihnk is the right thing, and then you have me pecking your head about stuff, too.

  When all is said and done, you and I are faced with the fact that in a short time, I'm going to lose you. Do you know how hard that is? It's like you have a terminal disease or something, and I am letting go of you forever. That hurts so much. But I am going to do it this time, and not wait for another letter, a farewell email, etc.

  Last night I popped into my hairdressers because one of the girls has just had a new baby. In there was a guy called Alex from my old congregation. And I said hello. And he said hello back. We talked about his daughter, and whether he'd have any more kids etc, and how they are all keeping. And I went out there with my head held high, knowing that there are still decent people in the world who can say "You know, you have your life, and I have mine, and we'll agree to disagree, but I'm not going to treat you like dirt, and ignore you." And it restored my faith in humanity a bit.

  You know I love you, and that I will always care for you. And it will be so odd to think that you are so close to me and I can't see you, or rather you won't want to see me. But that's your choice. I just want to leave with you the thought that today, you have let go someone who cares for you more than you know, simply because she fell in love with someone. I never did that to you.

  So I hope that you get everything you want from life, that Paul and you really do live happily ever after, and that you have kids and love them for who they are, no matter what they tell you. Because they cannot help the way they are born, any more than I could. Trust me, this is not a life I would have chosen, but I am so proud of myself, accepting of myself, and excited beyond belief with regards to my future with Emily.

  Take care, and who knows, maybe one day we'll see each other again. And you can walk straight past me as if I don't exist. I can't wait.

  Love Steph xx
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  So it's over. Again.

  by faundy in

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  three years ago i told a close friend in australia that i was gay.

  as a witness, she cut me off.

  i wasn't surprised.

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  Three years ago I told a close friend in Australia that I was gay. As a witness, she cut me off. I wasn't surprised. However, last year she was disfellowshipped for sex outside marriage. She and I then got back in contact. Why not? I mean, it;s not like she could get into any more trouble! Now she has married the guy and is going back to meetings. Because of this, she has once again told me that she can't have contact with me anymore.

  I was expecting it but it still hurts so much. It's so hypocritical- just because she once again bears the name 'witness' she has to shun me.

  It's pathetic. The crazy thing is, I'm not even disfellowshipped.
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  A bit of a mixed up question ??

  by billie jean in

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  not to take away from someone elses newest thread about disfellowshipping but just why is it so varied who they df and who they dont ?.

  i myself had been baptised then suffered a mental breakdown which they didnt know how to handle so they just didnt, i wanted to fade anyway so dont blame them now im just glad they didnt harass me too much to go back, they visited about twice but id since heard they hadnt a clue what to say to me.

  anyway i wasnt disfellowshipped and i never sent a note of disassociation in.

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  Just noticed- Gretaer manchester... whereabouts? I'm in Whitefield. Feeel free to PM if you don't want to make anything public!
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  A bit of a mixed up question ??

  by billie jean in

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  not to take away from someone elses newest thread about disfellowshipping but just why is it so varied who they df and who they dont ?.

  i myself had been baptised then suffered a mental breakdown which they didnt know how to handle so they just didnt, i wanted to fade anyway so dont blame them now im just glad they didnt harass me too much to go back, they visited about twice but id since heard they hadnt a clue what to say to me.

  anyway i wasnt disfellowshipped and i never sent a note of disassociation in.

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  Hey Billie jean,

  I understand where you're coming from, and I know that being disfellowshipped is certainly a type of closure; I haven't had that either. I'm openly gay, seen around with my girlfriend, esp by an elder who lives on my street, but even though I'm being ignored and suspect a marking talk was given or somthing, I've never officially been disfellowshipped. So it's like they're unofficially ignoring me, if that makes sense??
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  It's official!!!!

  by junctions-wife in

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  it's official, i am on vacation for 2 weeks!

  i have a trip planned, i am going to roswell new mexico.

  i am so excited and scared at the same time.

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  faundy

  Thought you were going to tell us JG has finally come out.
  
  I'm a bit disappointed.