Posts by Eliveleth

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My theory about the behavior and obsession of some ex-JWs

by Simon in

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i've had this theory for some time and alluded to it occassionally but have never explored it in detail.. it is of course a huge generalisation so no, not everyone will fit into the boxes and i'd like people's opinion.

i don't know everyone's circumstances so it's based on a small sample of some of those i do know something about.

it could be completely wrong, it's just an idea.. basically, i have seen a difference between some of those ex-jws who walked out vs those who were kicked out.. the most bitter and obsessive seem to be the kicked out and, i must add, those who were legitimately kicked out.

Eliveleth

Grace,

I am and will be an ex-JW for the same reasons. I have long since distanced myself from the WT thinking.

Your heart is so precious. I know that no one would ever think you have anything but the purest motives for

what you do.

My take on disfellowshipping: There may be reasons for some in the congregation not to associate with someone who

is hurting people by their conduct. I think it is wrong for it to be an organization's decision. Individuals who were hurt

might want to not associate with that person, but the total shunning for at least a year and breaking up families who do not associate

with or even speak to brothers, sisters, parents, etc is totally wrong and was not even hinted at in any place in the Bible. And threatening

them with disfellowshipping themselves if they do not follow the WT rules is unconscionable.

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Totally blown away

by dogisgod in

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wow.

i can't believe that i'm gone for a few days and then come back to find our watering hole is going to be drained.

i scanned back but didn't find out why?

Eliveleth

Simon explains why here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/22/163787/1.ashx

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44 yrs ago today in a little KH in Santa Barbara...

by Gregor in

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two young virgin jws (16 & 18) were married.

we survived jw's.

5 children and 9 g' kids later we have all of our close family out of the cult.

Eliveleth

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!! Gregor and Hazel,

It is so good to see marriages survive, through the WT and beyond.

Have a wonderful day with your family. I am so happy for you that they

are all out.

Love and hugs,

Velta

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An attempt at reconciliation.

by AK - Jeff in

my cousin - who was also my best friend for 35 years have been involved in an email exchange in recent weeks.

previous to that he was mostly shunning me.

without getting into details, he had given me room to explain things, especially as to how i have 'changed' as a result of leaving.

Eliveleth

Jeff,

What a powerful statement of who you are. How could anyone

not love you. There are so few people today who will stand up

and say "This is who I am, I am not ashamed to tell you the whole

truth". I am praying that your cousin will be proud to call you his

brother. I know this is a stretch being he is a JW, but stranger

things have happened. What are the odds of people who have

been JWs for almost 50 years coming out of the org? We are

living proof that it can happen.

Hang in there.

Love and hugs,

Velta

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For those with a personal relationship to God....How did you get there?

by digderidoo in

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as some of you are aware i have been going to aa meetings since the new year.

the "god thing" linked to the aa was a real dilemma for me.. since this time i have researched well the jw doctrines and come to the realisation that to have a personal relationship with a higher power i do not need to believe in the witness doctrine.. i am at a point where i have been considering how i personally would interprate a higher power.. i have met someone within the aa who is an ex jw and have just had a conversation with him on the phone, which has got me thinking about this.. now he has said that his faith now has been built by replacing one brick at a time so to speak.

giving an illustration of his faith being like a building, he can replace an old brick with a new one until he gets a new building all of his own making.

Eliveleth

Dig,

My experience of how I found out about the WT is on our website: www.geocities.com/veliveleth

After we left the WT, I watched every religious program that was on TV (all the ones that the WT

said not to) One day I was watching the 700 Club and they said if anyone wanted to have a personal

relationship with Jesus to call. I did and found out what it means to be born again. The bottom line

is just to pray and ask Jesus to be your Lord and to come into your life and guide you. It is very simple

and easy.

We did go to church for 15 years, but we have since left because of all the hypocrisy and politics, much

like the WT. We now worship God "in spirit and in truth". If you ask Holy Spirit to show you the truth,

you will find it. Luke 11:11-13

Hope you find your way.

Love and hugs,

Velta

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Places that won't exist in the "Paradise Earth"

by Zico in

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machu picchu, peru.

itsukushima shrine, japan.

taj mahal, india .

Eliveleth

Thank you Tired of the Hypocrisy! I used to ask elders, COs, remnant, and anyone else who I thought might know
where the conventions would be held in the New System, with all the stadiums gone and no polluting construction
machinery to build more with. I wondered whether they would be like those assemblies in the South Pacific with
big shacks made out of bamboo, but on a much bigger scale. I also would ask whether Jesus was going to speak at
assemblies in the New System. Bizarrely, in ten years as an active JW of asking these two questions, nobody ever
gave me any kind of an answer at all. Just blank stares. Why are these questions unreasonable? I'm really
interested in who will speak at these things with all the anointed in Heaven. Will they speak from Heaven, and,
if so, will Jesus speak too? Why doesn't anyone know?

Witnessgirl, They are not allowed to speculate. I know because I used to say wouldn't it be wonderful IF in the New World, we could do such and such and I was told in no uncertain manner that it was not up to us to try and figure out how the New System would be, we just have to "wait on Jehovah". That was many years ago, but sounds like it is still the way they think. They are so busy doing the preaching work that they have no time to relish the beauties of this world, let alone what may or may not happen in the future. Hang in there and just enjoy your dreams and thoughts and don't worry about what they think or don't. Love and hugs, Velta

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My non disasociation e-mail ... Elders can kiss my a$$

by What-A-Coincidence in

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(the email basically states that the congregation will not receive a disasociation letter or a verbal dissociation because there is no biblical precedence for it.

i also attached a pdf regarding the 'truth' and told them they won't read it because they have no freedom to think anymore.

also told them to kiss my mexican ass.).

Eliveleth

Bien dicho, WAC,

No hay escritura en la Biblia que dice que es necessario de escribir una carta de desasociacion.

Seguro que si, esta para el beneficio de la Sociedad de la Atalaya. Dice en su carta:

He decidido que en ningún momento nos desasociarémos por escrito o verbalmente

Quiere decir que su esposa tambien esta saliendo? Que bueno si esta el caso.

Perdoname si my espanol no es tan bueno. Estuvimos en una congregacion que se habla Espanol cuando

estabamos testigos. Queria practicar un poquito. Soy una gringa casado con un hombre que se habla

Espanol.

Con mucho amor,

Velta

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Remembering Danny

by purplesofa in

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i did not realize i had a topic left.. two years ago my brother committed suicide.. people from this board were very helpful and supportive.. suicide of a loved on is a difficult death to deal with.. my heart goes out to all who have lost a loved one to suicide.

purps.

i had this song played at his funeral ......sharing it with you all.. .

Eliveleth

Purps,

I am so sorry! It takes a long time to get over someone's death, no matter how it

happens, but when it is a suicide it is even worse. My heart goes out to you, Dear.

Big Tex,

How awful that you knew it would happen and could do nothing. That must be a huge

burden. When people decide to do anything, we cannot stop them. I hope you have

reconciled yourself to that.

Love and hugs,

Velta

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I have a new great-grandson!!

by Eliveleth in

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our great-grandson was born this morning, evan ryland.. he is 7lbs10oz and 19 inches.

is the first that we will be able to hold.

the rest are still captive in the.

Eliveleth

I just wanted to say thank you to all of your for your happiness for us. It is great to have friends

to share these moments with.

JK, thanks so much.

Sweetstuff: even more congrats that he's WTS free and able to enjoy quality time with his great-grandparents, as it should be.

I am so grateful that most of my grandchildren are free.

Dagney: As far as I'm concerned, you should be a part of everybody's life. But who knows, some day maybe...

Yes, I know we will all be together someday...

Big Tex: I've just re-connected with my grandmother (she's 93 now)

What a blessing for you and her!

BFD: Velta, I am so happy I could cry.

Oh, you are so sweet. Me too!!!

Velvetann: I myself am excited that my baby daughter who is 33 years old is having a baby in October and will be having a boy who will be named Erik. I never knew that it would be joyful having grandchildren but I can hardly wait.,

Hugs from the Grandmother Club

Congrats to you too. You will love it!

free2think: It must be so great to finally be able to hold one of your great grand children

It will be wonderful!!

Snoozy:Aw...it's been so long since I held a baby I bet you can't wait. Congratulations! Are you taking him a present?

Yes, I bought a pair of pale green froggy booties today.(His mom is into frogs) Its been a long time for me too, my youngest grandchild is 17.

Thank you wildfell, we are very blessed!

Thanks, Sirona. We think so but we are prejudiced. :o)

Quandry: I think he was. It was a nice warm comfy spot, not like this cold world. :o)

Thanks, Jaguar.

Thanks Summer and changeling, I think he is beautiful too. He looks so much like his dad. Brings back memories

Thanks, Calico, Layla and Cas

Mouthy: Granddad & Granny are SO PROUD!!! Hey GREAT that he isnt into a cult.....

Amen to both of those statements!

Gregor: Our 9th grandchild (5th G'son.) was born this past Sunday. John Phillip (Jack), 8 lbs 14 oz. 20.75"

Whoa!! He's a biggun!

We will be driving up to Portland the weekend of Sept. 21. It is going to be a long seven weeks!

Thanks to all of you. You guys are the best!

Love and hugs,

Gramma Velta :o)

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My Wife's In The Hospital

by Yizuman in

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hello folks, .

long time, no post .

so we checked in the next day and got her in a room.

Eliveleth

Yiz,

So glad to hear that your wife is doing better. I will be praying that

she will be totally well and able to go home soon.

May God bless you richly,both of you.

Love and hugs,

Velta